deep Posted April 27, 2013 Report Share Posted April 27, 2013 5°Major diamond 4° [hv=pc=n&s=saqh6d8cakqt87643&d=e&v=b&b=10&a=1s]133|200[/hv] What can better bid South ? He is interfering then is possible 3nt OR 3 ♠gambling? OR better another bid?Ty at all help me :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted April 27, 2013 Report Share Posted April 27, 2013 sigh, could you post twice on the right forum at least? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Molyb Posted April 27, 2013 Report Share Posted April 27, 2013 3nt obviously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted April 27, 2013 Report Share Posted April 27, 2013 5°Major diamond 4° [hv=pc=n&s=saqh6d8cakqt87643&d=e&v=b&b=10&a=1s]133|200[/hv] What can better bid South ? He is interfering then is possible 3nt OR 3 ♠gambling? OR better another bid?Ty at all help me :) Frustrating hand. Partner needs a red Ace for me to make 5♣If he has said Ace, I expect to make six. None-the-less, I am going to bid a prosaic 5♣ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cloa513 Posted April 27, 2013 Report Share Posted April 27, 2013 5°Major diamond 4° [hv=pc=n&s=saqh6d8cakqt87643&d=e&v=b&b=10&a=1s]133|200[/hv] What can better bid South ? He is interfering then is possible 3nt OR 3 ♠gambling? OR better another bid?Ty at all help me :)Nothing to be lost by doubling then bidding 5♣- opponents will get in at the fourth level at most in interference. You bid 5♣- it might push out a 5♠ which you can't tell if it will even go down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggwhiz Posted April 27, 2013 Report Share Posted April 27, 2013 4nt for a straight aces response. Pard plays 5♣ or I play more of them. If lho bids over this my pard doubles to show zero, I'll pass and cross my fingers. If it goes double - redouble by pard shows zero and I'll bid 5♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted April 27, 2013 Report Share Posted April 27, 2013 4nt for a straight aces response. Pard plays 5♣ or I play more of them. If lho bids over this my pard doubles to show zero, I'll pass and cross my fingers. If it goes double - redouble by pard shows zero and I'll bid 5♣. Certainly a great hand for this agreement... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted April 27, 2013 Report Share Posted April 27, 2013 Dbl planning to show an extremely good hand with long ♣. Why settle for 3NT when you can have slam if partner only has 1 Ace? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deep Posted April 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2013 sigh, could you post twice on the right forum at least? sorry still do not really know the rules of this forum, I have not seen my post as usual so I thought I was wrong in sending him :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted April 29, 2013 Report Share Posted April 29, 2013 4nt for a straight aces response. Pard plays 5♣ or I play more of them. If lho bids over this my pard doubles to show zero, I'll pass and cross my fingers. If it goes double - redouble by pard shows zero and I'll bid 5♣. Immediately bid 4n asking for aces using PODI PORI Dopi ropi sigh its certainly popular and it works most of the time but IMHO PODI PORI is hugely more flexible under a wide array of circumstances including those situations where DOPI ROPI or DEPO REPO fail. For ex if p has zero aces and the opps bid say 5h over my 4n p Passes to show zero and we are no longer forced to take any action depending on the circumstances. I would also bid 4n here knowing that 5c should make even if I only find p with the stiff club J or maybe even 9x and a complete bust elsewhere. The 4n bid also has the advantage of being highly preemptive it gives us the information we need to investigate slam and hinders the opps. I have never seen a hand where 4n was needed to describe a 1 or 2 suited hand but I have seen many where immediately asking for aces was all I needed to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted April 30, 2013 Report Share Posted April 30, 2013 [hv=pc=n&s=saqh6d8cakqt87643&d=e&v=b&b=10&a=1s]133|200|deep writes "5°Major diamond 4°. What can better bid South ? He is interfering then is possible 3nt OR 3 ♠gambling? OR better another bid?" IMO - If 4N is simple Blackwood the 4N = 10 :) if 4♣ is Gerber, then 4♣ =10 :) - But many play 4N = minor freak or specific aces. And 4♣ = natural pre-empt. - For such players, 5♣ = 10, 3♠ = 9, 2♣ = 8, 3N = 7, Double = 6, 6♣ = 5. [/hv] 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggwhiz Posted April 30, 2013 Report Share Posted April 30, 2013 Certainly a great hand for this agreement... What on earth would 4nt mean otherwise and why? But I'm old and can name all 4 beatles. :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted April 30, 2013 Report Share Posted April 30, 2013 What on earth would 4nt mean otherwise and why? But I'm old and can name all 4 beatles. :)It is not unknown for a 4NT overcall to show an extreme 2-suited hand. Why? because it is considerably more frequent and generally more useful. If you are going to use a "useless" jump for ace asking then I would have thought 4♠ made more sense. But I cannot say I have ever heard of anyone playing this aside from the "4NT always Blackwood" players. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jallerton Posted April 30, 2013 Report Share Posted April 30, 2013 Frustrating hand. Partner needs a red Ace for me to make 5♣ Does he? What suit is LHO most likely to lead at trick 1? Even on a red suit lead, you could make 5♣ as partner might have an entry in trumps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted May 1, 2013 Report Share Posted May 1, 2013 Does he? What suit is LHO most likely to lead at trick 1? Even on a red suit lead, you could make 5♣ as partner might have an entry in trumps. I agree completely that a trump entry is possible (though it doesn't seem particularly likely). Not so sure about the Spade lead... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ggwhiz Posted May 1, 2013 Report Share Posted May 1, 2013 It is not unknown for a 4NT overcall to show an extreme 2-suited hand. Why? because it is considerably more frequent and generally more useful. If you are going to use a "useless" jump for ace asking then I would have thought 4♠ made more sense. But I cannot say I have ever heard of anyone playing this aside from the "4NT always Blackwood" players. No need to lose blackwood or anything else. We do play 4♠ for the extreme 2-suiter. There may well be an advantage to reversing those bids but it's a rare auction and these bids kinda hit you in the head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts