responder rebids after inverted minor

[bilu]

Hi,

 

1♣ - 2♣ (invit+, fit) - 2♥ - ?

 

you play inverted minors (2♣ is invit or better with fit)

and partners then bids 2♥ showing extras.

 

Is there any agreement about which responder rebids show extras (e.g. 3rd suit)?

Should 2NT and 3♣ still show a minimum?

 

Thanks

[trevahound]

Hi,

 

1♣ - 2♣ (invit+, fit) - 2♥ - ?

 

you play inverted minors (2♣ is invit or better with fit)

and partners then bids 2♥ showing extras.

 

Is there any agreement about which responder rebids show extras (e.g. 3rd suit)?

Should 2NT and 3♣ still show a minimum?

 

Thanks

 

I am not a fan of inverted minors, but on my equiv auctions I'm a big fan of playing the equiv of the inverted minor raise is forcing to 3m. It's an active argument locally, but shockingly, I'm pretty sure that's right (compared with 2nt being NF).

 

Brian Zaugg

[Cyberyeti]

I actually play 2♦ as artificial better than minimum and asking responder to describe hand with 2♥ by opener nat and minimum.

 

Wasn't clear, was 2♥ nat with extras or just extras and do your inverted raises deny 4M ? (ours don't)

[Codo]

Basic logic:

2 ♣ is inv.+ and 2 ♥ shows extras- > aynthing should be GF now.

[inquiry]

Hi,

 

1♣ - 2♣ (invit+, fit) - 2♥ - ?

 

you play inverted minors (2♣ is invit or better with fit)

and partners then bids 2♥ showing extras.

 

Is there any agreement about which responder rebids show extras (e.g. 3rd suit)?

Should 2NT and 3♣ still show a minimum?

 

Thanks

 

 

I play inverted minors, but not your methods. I would think something like the following would fit your methods

 

2NT should show EXTRAS, not minimum, as you are in game force, so the principle of fast arrival should apply. i would, with your methods, use 2♠ to also show extras but uncertain direction (i have to assume you do not have 4♠'s). A likely hand is one you want to play in notrump but don't want to play it from yourside of the table.

 

3♣ should show minimum, but no desire or inability to bid 3NT from your side of the table.

 

3NT should show balanced minimum and you feel like notrump would be right-sided from your side of the table (else see 3♣).

[Free]

With the current agreements, 2♥ makes the auction GF. A 3rd suit doesn't necessarily show extras but can be looking for stoppers in the 4th suit. If anything, 3NT should be weaker than 2NT (principle of fast arrival).

[Vampyr]

I am not a fan of inverted minors, but on my equiv auctions I'm a big fan of playing the equiv of the inverted minor raise is forcing to 3m. It's an active argument locally, but shockingly, I'm pretty sure that's right (compared with 2nt being NF).

 

I am unfamiliar with issues relating to playing a strong NT, but if you are playing one, don't you want the option of playing 2NT when opener has a weak NT and responder doesn't have game-going values? At least at matchpoints?

[aguahombre]

I am unfamiliar with issues relating to playing a strong NT, but if you are playing one, don't you want the option of playing 2NT when opener has a weak NT and responder doesn't have game-going values? At least at matchpoints?

If "you" is me, the answer is yes. But, the 2NT rebid by opener for us shows a good 13-14 creating the game force, while stopper bids below 2NT are unclear as to overall strength. They are hands with only 3 or 4 diamonds and 11-12 HCP or really huge unbalanced hands intending to bid out pattern. Similar if the opened suit is clubs.