One hand. Two bidding decisions

[bd71]

[hv=pc=n&s=s5ha9843d6caqt952]133|100[/hv]

 

Matchpoints

[eagles123]

I would open 1♣ think it's too strong to pass and surely opening 1♥ shows the wrong shape?

 

with the 2nd auction I think pass :)

[P_Marlowe]

1C / 4H

[P_Marlowe]

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I would not be there, misvoted, I would show my 2nd suit.

[the_clown]

I would open 1♣. Playing with my favourite parner I would open 4♣ to show 6♣5M and abou 7-13 HCP.

 

If someone forced me to open 1♥ I would surely pass 3N.

[Codo]

I honestly do not see how we can pass 3 NT after opening 1 ♥. Partner has no long spades, usually no three hearts and usually at most 4 diamonds. We do have a club fit and even slam chances are there.

 

Give partner Axx,Kx,Axxx,Kxxx and we miss a grand. Yes, okay, he will not have a hand with so pure values, but we can at least look for a small slam.

 

Over 1 ♣ (3♦) 3 Nt it is trickier. But I would bid 4 ♥. I have a two suiter, I show it.

[bd71]

For the majority saying they would open 1♣, is your intended rebid over the likely 1♠ going to be 2♣ or 2♥? If the latter, are you really comfortable showing reverse strength when you may not have a fit?

[Phil]

I would rebid 2♣. Reversing on a 10 count isn't my idea of a good time.

 

Reverse Flannery rears its head again, since I'm more comfortable knowing we do not have a NINE card heart fit.

[wyman]

1C-2C for me, whether reverse Flannery-ing or not (but I do, so I feel way better about it).

[ggwhiz]

1♥ then pass for me.

 

It's a sneaky ten count with running clubs(?) as a secret weapon. That secret weapon works well with a 5-3 heart fit too and you can't push the opps around with the club suit very often on sneaky hands.

 

And after 1♣ - p - 1♠ or some number of notrump you have drilled yourself from ever finding a heart fit.

[Free]

A clear 1♣ opening opening imo. I don't have rebid problems after any response from partner, just rebid 2♣. The ♥ fit is overrated because when we have a 5-3 fit and opps start with 2 rounds of ♠ or ♦ we may lose control. With better ♥s it's not so clear, but I'd still open 1♣ because I prefer that style.

[Vampyr]

I misvoted too, I thought that the 1♥ bid was on my left after I opened 1♣. I abstain from the second question because I would not have been in that position.

[the hog]

I would NEVER open this 1C as I would be forced to rebid 2C over partner's 1S response, effectively killing a 5-3 H fit. If I could not open it with a 2 suited bid, then I would certainly open 1H

[gszes]

There are just far too many hands where we lose the heart suit

when opening this hand 1c. the club suit certainly is better but a

1c opening bid really tells p little about our hand it is generally

more of a punt than a useful start. 1H at least lets p know about

our major suit and gets us off to a much better start overall.

 

Missing 53 even 54 heart fits become possible if we open 1c. At

favorable where i might be inclined to bid at the 5 level I would

be a ton happier having started with 1h and then backing in with

5c.

 

As to the current hand I will

 

PASS

 

since there are far more ways to make 3n than 5c and 6c would

take something like a miracle hand.

 

 

[lexlogan]

The spots are crucial here -- we have nothing useful in hearts, while the club suit can stand a 4-2 split. We are far more likely to have a club than heart fit. There are many hands where 5C or 6C makes and 4H fails. We don't want to play a 5-2 heart fit. And finally, the enemy is likely to outbid us in spades; we want to get our best suit into action quickly. I'm opening 1C, planning to rebid 2C, and then mention the hearts if convenient later. I'm treating the hand like 4-6. Switch the spots and I'd open 1H.

[jeffford76]

It would be helpful to provide an "abstain" option for question two when there are going to be people who care enough to answer the first question, but not if they are required to answer an unrelated question about a situation they'd never be in.

[Cyberyeti]

1♥ then pass for me.

 

It's a sneaky ten count with running clubs(?) as a secret weapon. That secret weapon works well with a 5-3 heart fit too and you can't push the opps around with the club suit very often on sneaky hands.

 

And after 1♣ - p - 1♠ or some number of notrump you have drilled yourself from ever finding a heart fit.

Not necessarily

 

1♣-1♠

2♣-2♦(asking)

2♥(nat)-?

3♥

 

would seem to show the hand nicely.

 

Incidentally if the hearts were a touch better I'd open 1♥ as 1♥-1♠-3♣ shows a 5-5 or better with 2 good suits but not a good hand by our methods.

[CSGibson]

I hate to open anything other than my longest suit, but I hate reversing on a 10 count even more, so I'm opening 1♥. As for part II, opponents appear to have 9+ spades and haven't found them; I'm guessing that partner is getting a surprise spade lead. I am going to bid 4♣ now, though I admit its a guess. Hopefully partner figures out I have boatloads of clubs and hearts.

[655321]

1♣ intending to rebid 2♣.

 

I don't much like a 1♥ opening, but having accidentally opened 1♥ I really don't like pulling 3NT to 4♣ - it seems that most of the time partner will give preference to his doubleton heart and you will be in an ugly 5-2 fit, in danger of bad breaks after the preempt, or of just being tapped off.

 

Maybe you could pull 3NT to 5♣, or after 4♣ bid a possibly ambiguous 5♣ over partner's 4♥ preference, but all of these problems are avoided by the normal 1♣ opening.

[Fluffy]

I always open 1M with 5-6 hands, but here I wouldn't mind 1♣, suit quality disparity and also the fact that finding heart fit quickly doesn't help us over 4♠ from opps, with spades I would rather open 1♠

[Phil]

Not necessarily

 

1♣-1♠

2♣-2♦(asking)

2♥(nat)-?

3♥

 

would seem to show the hand nicely.

 

Incidentally if the hearts were a touch better I'd open 1♥ as 1♥-1♠-3♣ shows a 5-5 or better with 2 good suits but not a good hand by our methods.

 

If I were lucky enough to get partner to bid 2♦ over 2♣, surely a direct 3♥ describes this hand better?

[Cyberyeti]

If I were lucky enough to get partner to bid 2♦ over 2♣, surely a direct 3♥ describes this hand better?

I believe systemically for us 3♥ is an absolutely top of the range 2♣ rebid 6-4 (GF opposite the inv+ artificial 2♦ relay), 6-5s are shown by bidding 2♥ then 3♥.

[PhilKing]

I believe systemically for us 3♥ is an absolutely top of the range 2♣ rebid 6-4 (GF opposite the inv+ artificial 2♦ relay), 6-5s are shown by bidding 2♥ then 3♥.

 

Yeah. For me, the 2♦ relay is consistent with 5♠, 4+♥ GF, so we bid 2♥ with four or five hearts in order that partner can set trumps with slam interest.