lycier Posted April 16, 2013 Report Share Posted April 16, 2013 [hv=sn=M.Reid&s=S54HA87DJ8753C854&wn=A.Miwa&w=S932HQJT2DK42CQJ7&nn=P.Newell&n=SAKQT76H963DA9C63&en=M.Nomura&e=SJ8HK54DQT6CAKT92&d=e&v=n&b=2&a=1CP1H2SPPP&p=CKC4C7C6CAC5CJC3C2C8CQS6SAS8S4S2SKSJS5S3SQH4D3S9STC9D5D4S7CTH7H2DAD6D7D2H3H5HAHT&c=8]499|350[/hv] 这是NEC杯资格赛第一轮的一副牌： 由于2♠阻击叫，使得敌方没有空间发现♣的配合，这种活泛多变的风格值得欣赏。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted April 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2013 这是一副来自NEC杯资格赛第一轮牌面： 开室： [hv=sn=M.Reid&s=S853HQJ98D965CT62&wn=A.Miwa&w=SAQJ7HT4DAT2CK873&nn=P.Newell&n=ST2HA753DKQJ83CA5&en=M.Nomura&e=SK964HK62D74CQJ94&d=n&v=o&b=1&a=1CP1D1S2D3DP3SPPP&p=DKD4D6DASAS2S4S3SQSTS6S5H4H3HKH8SKS8S7D3C4C6CKCADQD7D5D2C5CQC2C3&c=10]499|350[/hv] 闭室： [hv=sn=Masako Ots&s=S853HQJ98D965CT62&wn=Sartaj Han&w=SAQJ7HT4DAT2CK873&nn=Kunio K.&n=ST2HA753DKQJ83CA5&en=Sartaj H.&e=SK964HK62D74CQJ94&d=n&v=o&b=1&a=1DPP1NP2CP2SP4SPPP&p=DKD4D5DASAS2S4S3SQSTS6S5SJD3S9S8H4H3HKH8CQC2C3CAHAH2H9HT&c=10]499|350[/hv] 大家谈谈吧，这两种不同的应叫方式带来不同的结果，给我们的启示是什么？ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted April 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2013 NEC杯资格赛第一轮 开室：[hv=sn=M.Reid&s=SQ2HT85DK6CKQJ643&wn=A.Miwa&w=SAKJ873HAK4DA53CT&nn=P.Newell&n=ST954HJ3DT982C752&en=M.Nomura&e=S6HQ9762DQJ74CA98&d=s&v=e&b=3&a=3C(6+C%2Cconstructive%2010-12)DP4HP4SPPP&p=C2CAC3CTS6S2SJS4SAS5C8SQSKS9C9CJHAH3H2H8HKHJH6H5H4STH7HTC7H9CQS3DAD2D4D6D3DTDQDKCK&c=11]499|350[/hv] 闭室： [hv=sn=M. Otsuka&s=SQ2HT85DK6CKQJ643&wn=T. Nunn&w=SAKJ873HAK4DA53CT&nn=K. Kodaira&n=ST954HJ3DT982C752&en=S. Hans&e=S6HQ9762DQJ74CA98&d=s&v=e&b=3&a=1CDP4HP4NP5CP5DP5NP7HPPP&p=CKCTC2CAH2H5HAH3HKHJH6H8SAS4S6S2S3S5H7SQHQHTH4C5DQDKDAD2&c=13]499|350[/hv] 未得配合，天地相别！为什么？ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madongjun Posted April 16, 2013 Report Share Posted April 16, 2013 我的疑惑：1、这个2♠是阻击叫吗？2、如果2♠是阻击叫，那么西家在平衡位置，无局方，能不能加叫一口3♣呢？（不知道他们的草花开叫是否保证张数，保证几张） Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zyp163 Posted April 16, 2013 Report Share Posted April 16, 2013 这是二个不同的进程。后一方式是平衡位置的无将争叫方式 ：11-14P。前一方式是(1C)-(1D)的争叫。定约不一定可成，苦HAX与HQJ换，定约不成。我考虑这与四张高花争叫没什么本质联系。是基于牌手场上的“发挥”。其实就是赌.个人之见，请批评指导. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted April 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2013 这是Nec杯资格赛第一轮牌 开室： [hv=sn=M.Reid&s=SJT96HQJ964DT7CJ7&wn=A.Miwa&w=SKQ752H73DAQ432CK&nn=P.Newell&n=SA83HA2DKJ965CAQ6&en=M.Nomura&e=S4HKT85D8CT985432&d=e&v=e&b=6&a=PP1S1N2C2H3DD3SDPP4CPPDPPP&p=DTDAD5D8H3H2HKH6S4S9SKSADKC4D7D2H5H9H7HACAC5C7CKDJH8CJD3HQS2S3HTSJSQS8C2&c=7]499|350[/hv] 结果：4♣X-800闭室： [hv=sn=M. Otsuka&s=SJT96HQJ964DT7CJ7&wn=T. Nunn&w=SKQ752H73DAQ432CK&nn=K. Kodaira&n=SA83HA2DKJ965CAQ6&en=S. Hans&e=S4HKT85D8CT985432&d=e&v=e&b=6&a=PP1SDP2HP2NP3NPPP&p=C9C7CKCAC6C2CJS5SJSQSAS4S8CTS6S2S3C5S9SKD3D5D8DTSTS7D6C3D7D2D9H5HAH8H4H3H2HKH6H7C4H9D4CQ&c=9]499|350[/hv] 结果：3nt mk 400 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zyp163 Posted April 16, 2013 Report Share Posted April 16, 2013 有局对无局在最危险的位置叫出2S不是阻，是最描述的叫品。开叫以上实力，S好套。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zyp163 Posted April 16, 2013 Report Share Posted April 16, 2013 被追着无处可跑,上天无路，入地无门，狐狸也没洞。这感觉相当痛苦，体验一次就够了。当特定牌型无法处理时，免开尊口。是不是？哈哈 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted April 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2013 这是Nec杯资格赛第一轮 开室： [hv=sn=M.Reid&s=ST932H73DQ83CKQT3&wn=A.Miwa&w=S654HAKT64D92C764&nn=P.Newell&n=SAKQH8DKJT654CA92&en=M.Nomura&e=SJ87HQJ952DA7CJ85&d=w&v=o&b=8&a=P1CP1DP2DPPP&p=HKH8H9H7HAD4H2H3DKDAD3D2C5C3C4C9D5D7DQD9&c=11]499|350[/hv] 1♣ = F1, (good 13)14+ HCP 非均型或,15+ HCP 均型 1♦ = a) 0-9 HCP b) 10+ HCP, 0-2 个控制 [A=2 K=1] 2♦ = NF, 14-18 HCP, 5+♦结果：2♦超三 闭室：[hv=sn=M. Otsuka&s=ST932H73DQ83CKQT3&wn=T. Nunn&w=S654HAKT64D92C764&nn=K. Kodaira&n=SAKQH8DKJT654CA92&en=S. Hans&e=SJ87HQJ952DA7CJ85&d=w&v=o&b=8&a=P1D1HD2N3DPP3H3SP4SPPP&p=HJH3HKH8HASAH5H7SKS7S2S4SQS8S3S5D4DAD3D2H2S9H4D5DQD9D6D7D8S6DKC5C4C2CJCKC3C6CAC8&c=9]499|350[/hv]南家是著名的澳大利亚牌手汉斯，3♠后贪心地用4-3配的莫邪森配合进局4♠，结果下一！ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madongjun Posted April 16, 2013 Report Share Posted April 16, 2013 开室南的1♦应叫或许影响了东西方对整手牌牌力分布的判断。另外，不清楚北家开叫1♣是什么特殊的体系。 闭室北家开叫1♦好理解，南家中规中矩PASS，所以东西方顺利叫到局。 感觉开闭室出现结果不同，是体系的问题（开室的更特殊一点儿），不是高花四张争叫的问题。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madongjun Posted April 16, 2013 Report Share Posted April 16, 2013 错在开室的西家，应该主动显示红心的配合而不能自己独自叫自己的黑桃套。配合产生赢墩！ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madongjun Posted April 16, 2013 Report Share Posted April 16, 2013 有局对无局，同伴的黑桃套你是单张，开室的东家为什么要叫2♣呢？看来世界大赛也有俗手！ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted April 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2013 这是NEC杯资格赛第一轮牌 开室： [hv=sn=M.Reid&s=S875HJ8D932CQJ765&wn=A.Miwa&w=SJ3HKQ7632DT7CAT8&nn=P.Newell&n=SAQT642HA9DAJ54C2&en=M.Nomura&e=SK9HT54DKQ86CK943&d=s&v=o&b=11&a=PP1CP1D2H2S3HPPP&p=C2C3CJCAD7DAD6D2SAS9S5S3S2SKS7SJH4H8HKHAD5DKD9DTH5HJHQH9&c=9]499|350[/hv] 3rd/4th 1♣ = 16+1♦ = a) 0-5 HCP b) 6-8 HCP, BAL c) 6+ HCP, 0 controls我们赞美南家的沉默！如果仅会板脚丫计数数点加减运算，似乎叫一声3♠没什么大事，但是万一把opps逼进局，汝之奈何？Pass永远是一种选择！ 闭室：[hv=sn=M. Otsuka&s=S875HJ8D932CQJ765&wn=T. Nunn&w=SJ3HKQ7632DT7CAT8&nn=K. Kodaira&n=SAQT642HA9DAJ54C2&en=S. Hans&e=SK9HT54DKQ86CK943&d=s&v=o&b=11&a=P1H1S2SP3H3SPPP&p=HTH8HQHAH9H5HJHKDTDJDQD2C4CQCAC2D7DAD6D3D4DKD9C8D8S8SJD5CTS2C9C5SAS9S5S3&c=7]499|350[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zyp163 Posted April 16, 2013 Report Share Posted April 16, 2013 Martin Reid与Peter Newell的1C开叫及应叫：1C强开叫：第一二家14+.第三四家16+对1C的应叫：1D=0-9。或者10+HCP及三个控制。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madongjun Posted April 16, 2013 Report Share Posted April 16, 2013 这里对开室南北的1♣开叫和1♦应叫做了解释，这使我对“NEC杯：4张高花争叫的遗憾（四）”开室南北的叫牌多了些了解。 本例：闭室的防守很精彩，从首攻开始，就对庄家的将牌进行了缩将－－这是防守莫耶斯配合的要点。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted April 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2013 开室： [hv=sn=M.Reid&s=SKHQT986DAKT863CT&wn=A.Miwa&w=SQJ96432HJ7D7CAQ7&nn=P.Newell&n=S8H32DQ952CKJ9832&en=M.Nomura&e=SAT75HAK54DJ4C654&d=w&v=n&b=12&a=3SP4SPPP&p=H3HAH9H7C4CTCQCKH2HKH6HJC5SKC7C3DKD7D2D4H8S9C2H4SQS8S5D3SJC8S7HQ&c=10]499|350[/hv] 4♠mk 420 闭室：[hv=sn=M. Otsuka&s=SKHQT986DAKT863CT&wn=T. Nunn&w=SQJ96432HJ7D7CAQ7&nn=K. Kodaira&n=S8H32DQ952CKJ9832&en=S. Hans&e=SAT75HAK54DJ4C654&d=w&v=n&b=12&a=1SP2N3S4S5CD5DPPDPPP&p=D7D2DJDKD3SQDQD4H2HKH6H7SASKS2S8HAH8HJH3&c=8]499|350[/hv] 5♦X-3 800 3♠是有毒的诱惑，过度的进取，在局况不利时，应该收束，不能嫉人得分！ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madongjun Posted April 16, 2013 Report Share Posted April 16, 2013 按闭室的防守，3♠都是下2的。 开室开叫1草花，是不是不够他们定约卡上的条件？（16+） 四明手看，东西方的4♥似乎没有宕的路线。（主要是对方的大牌点都在有利的位置）。但为什么开闭两室都没有叫到呢？ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted April 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2013 开室： [hv=sn=M.Reid&s=SAH432DAK8732CK83&wn=A.Miwa&w=S98652HQ98DT96CQ6&nn=P.Newell&n=SQJ73HKT75DJ4CJT5&en=M.Nomura&e=SKT4HAJ6DQ5CA9742&d=n&v=b&b=13&a=P1C2DPPDP2SPPP&p=DJDQDKD6CKC6C5CAC2C3CQCJS9SJSKSAC8S2CTC4S5SQS4H4S3STD2S6C9H2H8S7D4D5DAD9&c=8]499|350[/hv] 闭室：[hv=sn=M. Otsuka&s=SAH432DAK8732CK83&wn=T. Nunn&w=S98652HQ98DT96CQ6&nn=K. Kodaira&n=SQJ73HKT75DJ4CJT5&en=S. Hans&e=SKT4HAJ6DQ5CA9742&d=n&v=b&b=13&a=P1N2CPPP&p=S2S3STSADAD6D4D5DKD9DJDQD3DTCJS4SQSKC3S5D8H9H5C2C4CKC6C5D7CQH7H6HQHTHJH2H8HKHAH3CAC8&c=6]499|350[/hv] 2♣竟然pass了，这是真正的专家低级错误！ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madongjun Posted April 16, 2013 Report Share Posted April 16, 2013 如果局况是无局对有局，倒还可以考虑。东西的赢墩全是大叉呀，没有办法！ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madongjun Posted April 16, 2013 Report Share Posted April 16, 2013 是不是按错键了－－开个玩笑。他们的2♣应该也是约定逼叫的吧？即若是约定允许PASS，北家也不应当停在这样的草花上。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnszsun Posted April 16, 2013 Report Share Posted April 16, 2013 下二只输500 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zyp163 Posted April 16, 2013 Report Share Posted April 16, 2013 [hv=sn=M. Otsuka&s=ST932H73DQ83CKQT3&wn=T. Nunn&w=S654HAKT64D92C764&nn=K. Kodaira&n=SAKQH8DKJT654CA92&en=S. Hans&e=SJ87HQJ952DA7CJ85&d=w&v=o&b=8&a=P1D1HD2N3DPP3H3SP4SPPP&p=HJH3HKH8HASAH5H7SKS7S2S4SQS8S3S5D4DAD3D2H2S9H4D5DQD9D6D7D8S6DKC5C4C2CJCKC3C6CAC8&c=9]499|350[/hv]2nt加叫让我想起了乔丹约定叫:开叫人1M-(X)-2N:9-12HCP的限制性加叫.这个进程：（1D）-1H-（X）-？2H：正常加叫。2N：？3H：？求解 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted April 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2013 哦，BBO现场转播记录的结果：-3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted April 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2013 这种疑惑有道理。也许是约定性平衡位叫牌：2♠=中等牌力，13-16p，♠六张套的描述。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted April 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2013 这是一副来自NEC杯资格赛第一轮牌面： 开室： [hv=sn=M.Reid&s=S853HQJ98D965CT62&wn=A.Miwa&w=SAQJ7HT4DAT2CK873&nn=P.Newell&n=ST2HA753DKQJ83CA5&en=M.Nomura&e=SK964HK62D74CQJ94&d=n&v=o&b=1&a=1CP1D1S2D3DP3SPPP&p=DKD4D6DASAS2S4S3SQSTS6S5H4H3HKH8SKS8S7D3C4C6CKCADQD7D5D2C5CQC2C3&c=10]499|350[/hv] 大家谈谈吧，这两种不同的应叫方式带来不同的结果，给我们的启示是什么？ 个人想法如下： 1-我认为如果拿4张高花争叫或开叫，那么这牌最适合不过了，一门四张，一门短。但四张带来了很多副作用，其中也包括心理作用：1）平衡性的破坏 2）张数上短缺导致后续叫牌的畏首畏尾。 2-东西家的高花加叫体系不够成熟，四张和三张的限制性加叫描述含混不清。这样的牌手，在战场上的生存率不可能高。那么，问题来了：在竟叫过程中，如何正确描述这手牌呢？1）- 扣叫就是三张的限制性加叫2）-2nt就是四张支持的限制性加叫，9P+。接着，同伴在2nt的后续描述是这样的：再叫三阶的3X=13P+，3-4张，鼓励进局；再叫3M=缺乏进局兴趣。3）-三阶四阶的新花色=混合式加叫或配合显示性跳叫，表示该新花色是含有两大的五张套，四张支持。建设性牌力。 我希望这种方法以后会纳入我们的高花体系中来。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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