flytoox Posted December 30, 2004 Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 [hv=s=skjt982haj7dck983]133|100|[/hv] Auction goes as follows: W N E S-- -- -- 1SP 2C P ? Do you splinter or not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted December 30, 2004 Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 Not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted December 30, 2004 Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 [hv=s=skjt982haj7dck983]133|100|[/hv] Auction goes as follows: W N E S-- -- -- 1SP 2C P ? Do you splinter or not? Too weak for a splinterInsufficient trump to insist on clubs as trumptoo many different possible strains Need I go on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted December 30, 2004 Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 Splinter consumes too much space, so 3♣ is the only choice. (2♠ denies 4♣ as I play) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnszsun Posted December 31, 2004 Report Share Posted December 31, 2004 I like to play splinter after 2/1 as picture bid, so this hand is clearly not the right one. Even i don't play that, splinter is still not the option. Have a look at your 6 good ♠s and partner's ♣ suit maynot be the real good one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted December 31, 2004 Report Share Posted December 31, 2004 I can see how a splinter could really simplify this auction, but it has at least three flaws (in order): 1) a 6th spade, 2) a void, 3) a key control in the 4th suit. Start with 2♠ and see where things go. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Posted December 31, 2004 Report Share Posted December 31, 2004 (edited) I think i would bid 3d if its splinter since in most partnerships 3c isnt forcing, so if i have to choose between 2sp,3sp,2h and 3d i prefer 3D.on 3D 3sp is probelbly natural so we dont miss the spades on 6-3.If we play 2/1 GF i would not bid 3d, and either bid 2s or 3c. Edited December 31, 2004 by Flame Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted December 31, 2004 Report Share Posted December 31, 2004 3♣ at imps, 2♠ (foircing) at matchpoints. I would not splinter because of different by similar reasons to those given by phil... in order of why 1) Void in diamonds, 2) heart ACE (control in off suit), and 3) in case of matchpoints only a sixth spade (were getting to +600 in five clubs could easily lose to +620 in spades). Ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted December 31, 2004 Report Share Posted December 31, 2004 i'd bid 2♠ imps or matchpoints, with a view of supporting clubs later if necessary... with only 5 spades this is a clear 3♣ bid to me, and that isn't a bad bid with 6 spades Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cf_John0 Posted December 31, 2004 Report Share Posted December 31, 2004 Almost no game,I'll pass or bid 2S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Posted December 31, 2004 Report Share Posted December 31, 2004 Almost no game,I'll pass or bid 2S. AxxxxxxAxxxxx Will make an easy grand slam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shanbari Posted December 31, 2004 Report Share Posted December 31, 2004 3c by me to show none minimal hand with good club support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted December 31, 2004 Report Share Posted December 31, 2004 As far as I'm aware, partner is an un-passed hand, so passing is how you lose partners (and even if he was I'm still not going to pass) If 2S is not forcing, I'll splinter, if it is forcing, I'll bid 2S, then support clubs on the next round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted January 2, 2005 Report Share Posted January 2, 2005 Splinter is crazy, you're way too weak! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double ! Posted January 2, 2005 Report Share Posted January 2, 2005 It would be helpful to know what system my P and I are playing: I shall assume 2/1. I disagree with using a splinter here for two reasons. 1) other things being equal, the splinter makes bidding out my shape more difficult. I'm not even sure where this hand is going yet (spades, clubs, NT?, minus). By rebidding spades I permitted partner to clarify his/her initial 2C response including setting up situation where P might later be able to show honor-x or better support on spades. 2)I can then support clubs, cue hearts if need be, and have exclusion RKC or cue of diamonds available in back pocket if I need it. There are so many hands that P can have to respond 2C/1S that it seems more beneficial for me to bid out my shape and give P more time to clarify the 2C response. It would seem to be that this would lead to a more co-operative auction with either partner potentially being in a better situation to determine how high we should be, where tricks are coming from, and take control at the appropriate point. IMO, a splinter would tend to deny 6 spades (or at least 6 decent spades: I like to bid where my values are. In any event: Happy New Year to all Be well, be safe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 Splinter is crazy, you're way too weak! I don't think that being weak is the issue here, the strength of your hand is fine (especially as dummy for clubs). However, a splinter bid should give a very good description of your hand, and this hand has many flaws. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 Unless partner has a passed hand, 2/1 or sayc or whatever natural system, 2S is forcing (pd will not pass 2S). However, I will bid 3C. If pd rebid 3D/H, I would bid 3S. If pd bid 3S, I will bid 4D (cue-bid). I re-read the post again. pd did have a passed hand. And I assume 2C is not (rev)Drury. In this case, I assume pd has at least 5+ clubs. I would bid 4D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted January 5, 2005 Report Share Posted January 5, 2005 Unless partner has a passed hand, 2/1 or sayc or whatever natural system, 2S is forcing (pd will not pass 2S). However, I will bid 3C. If pd rebid 3D/H, I would bid 3S. If pd bid 3S, I will bid 4D (cue-bid). I re-read the post again. pd did have a passed hand. And I assume 2C is not (rev)Drury. In this case, I assume pd has at least 5+ clubs. I would bid 4D. It doesn't look like partner is a passed hand to me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted January 8, 2005 Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 No, I don't splinter with this hand....too much to find out as of yet and my hand isn't that good. Assuming 2/1, I'm going to raise clubs first and find out what partner is thinking - he may have been force to bid 2C of J9xx with hand like, AQx, Kxxx, Kx, J9xx to create a force, and be getting ready to support spades. If he does really have decent clubs without spade support, 3NT may be the best spot and by splintering we miss this. Lastly, my hand isn't strong enough to splinter in this minor-suit auction - too dangerous to miss 3nt when pard has: x, Kxx, KQ10, AQJxxx. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helium Posted January 8, 2005 Report Share Posted January 8, 2005 splinter? NO (but i dont think its crazy) kenneth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firechief Posted January 10, 2005 Report Share Posted January 10, 2005 If we're playing 2/1, I'd splinter with 3 diamonds. I'm biased because this hand type has come up several times in my experience, and every time it's been right to splinter. The fact is that this hand has a lot that needs to get described. We have a potential strain in spades, we have a great club fit, and we have both red suit first round controls. If I start with 2s, I'm afraid I'll lose some of the emphasis on my club support/red suit controls, since the auction will get crowded in a hurry. With the 3d bid, we have an easy heart Q-bid next round, and partner will have a very good idea of what our hand is like. Incidentally, splintering doesn't show extra values, it's merely a description of your hand. The description is 4 card support and short diamonds. However, if the splinter did show extras, this hand would still be applicable (huge hand in support of clubs). If partner produces a 3nt bid over this, I'll bid 4s, which will show the 6th spade. Joel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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