double doubles

[jillybean]

[hv=d=e&v=n&s=st72hqj74dacjt987]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv]

 

West North East South

 

 -     -     Pass  Pass

 1♦    Dbl   1♠    Dbl

 

 

Hi,

Can someone please tell me is souths Dbl (showing ♥/♣) correct or should a preference to ♣ be shown?

 

tyia

jillybean

[badderzboy]

I would read it as that showing better than minimum and the other 2 suits, I would also be interested to know what 2♦ in that position would show?

 

Steve

[paulg]

I recommend playing this second double as penalty. Otherwise it is too easy for East to psyche 1♠ with a diamond fit.

 

I'd bid 2♦ here to show a good passed hand and raise partner's 2♥ to 3♥.

 

If I was not a passed hand then it is more difficult, and I'd probably bid 3♥ directly.

 

cheers

 

p

[Free]

With standard agreements, I'd consider this as the other suits (so a correct bid). But like cardsharp mentioned: with such agreement it's too easy for opps to psych our ♠ suit. That's why I also play this as penalty, so we can discover their psych :angry:

[luke warm]

i also play x of 1♠ for penalties... i bid 1nt for takeout

[inquiry]

Second double is for takeout. No, you don't show a preference for clubs here, if your partner lacks hearts, she will bid clubs. There are other ways to handle this situation when you have spades and your RHO psyched a spade, but there is not a good way to show the two off suits and modest values besides the responsive double.

 

Ben

[mike777]

Let me see if I understand expert style on this one. This x is penalty or shows 2 other suits. This should make thinks easy in my BBO pick up games.

[pclayton]

Even in the days of double is always takeout, I play this as penalty; usually 4 cards or a bad 5.

 

With a decent 5, bid 2♠.

 

I'm fairly sure this treatment is standard.

[HeartA]

i also play x of 1♠ for penalties... i bid 1nt for takeout

Dbl for penalty. 2D as invitional take-out. 2S as g/f take-out. 1NT as natural: good 8 to bad 11, good stoppers in opps' suits.

 

As for the hand given by jillybean, I tend to bid 2H.

[mike777]

I think I got it.

X = 2 suit takeout or penalty.

1nt=natural or takeout

2s=g/f takeout or good 5 card s suit.

[Fluffy]

This is the most clear penalty double that I can think off, partner promised 3 cards on our suit, what are we waiting for?.

[cnszsun]

Penalty double is very simple and popular treatment.

[Flame]

This double normally show 4+ spade and and some high card point.

[luke warm]

i don't understand why this would be for takeout... a responsive double only applies when they bid and raise a suit, or at least that's pretty much always been my understanding... doubling the 2nd bid is the clearest way to expose what is probably the most common psych

 

as for 1nt being natural here, to me that doesn't make a lot of sense on frequency alone... 2 bidding ops, with 2 suits (unless a psych) and me bidding a natural 1nt?... i don't think that occurs nearly as often as having support for partner's supposed suits... on the hand jilly showed i'd bid 1nt and feel good about whatever partner did... if i was stronger i'd bid 2♦... i've never heard of 2♠ here being game force, but i have heard of (and played) it being natural, as phil said

[the hog]

There are 2 ways to play this double.

1) Penalty, showing a S suit

2) Responsive for the other 2 suits

 

If you play it as 2) you show a S suit by bidding S at the appropriate level. You lose out on the penalty X. Most players don't think this is a big deal, as the 1S bidder, if he has psyched, almost certainly has support for his partner's opened suit.

 

I have played it both ways with different partners. I prefer method 2) but would not press the point if pd greatly preferrred method 1)

[mr1303]

As I understand it, and how I play with most partners, I play X as showing EXACTLY 4 of the suit and bidding it myself as showing 5+.

 

I also require a few values, usually at least a reasonable 6 count to do this