mikestar Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 I like Fred's thinking here. A jump to 6C experesses the value of the hand well and may turn out OK when partner has nothing and there is no play for it--opponents may well save and be down one more than they would have if they saved against 5C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 14, 2005 Report Share Posted January 14, 2005 Don't think opponents will save without fit against a long unpredictable shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted January 15, 2005 Report Share Posted January 15, 2005 junyi zhu: it's an easy double because you can convert 4H to 5C. On similar question on another thread you doubled with x, xx, AKxx, AKQxxx. Now you are doubling with AKQ2 void A5 AQ87542. If you convert both hands to 5 clubs over 4 hearts, how will partner know how much to play you for? One is a 5-loser hand; this is a 2-loser hand. WinstonM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chamaco Posted January 15, 2005 Report Share Posted January 15, 2005 junyi zhu: it's an easy double because you can convert 4H to 5C. On similar question on another thread you doubled with x, xx, AKxx, AKQxxx. Now you are doubling with AKQ2 void A5 AQ87542. If you convert both hands to 5 clubs over 4 hearts, how will partner know how much to play you for? One is a 5-loser hand; this is a 2-loser hand. WinstonM Agree with Winston: this is the reason why with the original hand of this post (AKQ2 - void - A5 - AQ87542) I like using cuebid + new suit (assuming the cue is not for a 2-suiter), to show a greater playing strength than double + new suit (which I would instead use holding a 4 loser hand like the one of the other post, namely:x, xx, AKxx, AKQxxx). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junyi_zhu Posted January 15, 2005 Report Share Posted January 15, 2005 junyi zhu: it's an easy double because you can convert 4H to 5C. On similar question on another thread you doubled with x, xx, AKxx, AKQxxx. Now you are doubling with AKQ2 void A5 AQ87542. If you convert both hands to 5 clubs over 4 hearts, how will partner know how much to play you for? One is a 5-loser hand; this is a 2-loser hand. WinstonM First x xx AKxx AKQxxx has 4 losers, not five losers. Second, if you don't feel 5C is good enough, you can bid 6C, however, I'd just bid 5C over 4H because I know it's a misfit hand, partner's possible Heart honor are useless if I play 5C. Also, you really need a reasonable club fit from partner to make 6C, otherwise, you still have a club loser. So it's really a matter of hand evaluation I believe and partner would raise your 5C to 6C if he has both HAK and CK. Let me give you Sxx HAKxxxx Dxxx Cxx for a 4H bid, now you see that the first hand, Sx Hxx DAKxx CAKQxxx has a much better play in 5C then SAKQx H- DAx CAQxxxxx. Loser count calculation and hand evaluation is really a dynamic thing, and original loser count may change a lot when you discover more information of partner's hand. Last, I have changed my mind on Sx Hxx DAKxx CAKQxxx, I'd bid 3S to show both minors now. Well, why do we waste so much time on this hand? We don't have to know the exact scientific way to bid this hand to win a world championship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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