1Valeria Posted December 29, 2004 Report Share Posted December 29, 2004 [hv=d=e&v=n&s=sakq2hda5caq87542]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv] What do you think of DBL and C or, if you have room, of DBL , cue and C?What about 3S? - You are playing Leaping Michaels -Would be 3C a risky bid? Thanks for answering and ... a very Happy New Year! Valeria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted December 29, 2004 Report Share Posted December 29, 2004 At the table I will bid 3NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted December 29, 2004 Report Share Posted December 29, 2004 Yes, 3NT might work, probably also my choice at the table... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted December 29, 2004 Report Share Posted December 29, 2004 At the risk of offending (or confusing pard) I'll start with 3♠; ostensibly asking for a stop (if pard has a ♠ stop, we'll all have a good laugh). Pard will probably bid 4♣, and I'll try 5♣, which should show a huge hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firechief Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 Before I bid, I cross off leaping michaels on my card, then I jump to 4c ;) Ok, if I can't do that, then I'd start with double and correct partner's 3h to 5c...if that doesn't show a mammoth hand, I don't know what does. I'm bidding 5c next after whatever partner does. Joel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chamaco Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 (Already posted this in the italian section of the Forum) With a 2.5 loser hand, if I play Leaping Michaels, I bid 3S then 5 clubs over the likely 4D/4H response by p; this will show my huge hand, even stronger than double+ new suit. a. Bidding directly any number of clubs would be an underbid b. 3NT will probably make but 6C needs almost nothing from pard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 3NT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearmum Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 Dealer: East Vul: None Scoring: IMP ♠ AKQ2 ♥ [space] ♦ A5 ♣ AQ87542 What do you think of DBL and C or, if you have room, of DBL , cue and C?What about 3S? - You are playing Leaping Michaels -Would be 3C a risky bid? Thanks for answering and ... a very Happy New Year! ValeriaAs I don't play "leaping Michaels" I will just double and bid the appropriate no of ♣'s at my next turn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helium Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 3 ♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 5C for me. 6C is not a bad shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 I agree with firechief, damn leaping michaels :rolleyes:. At the 2 level 2♣ would be easy, since ♥ void makes it impossible that it will be passed out, but now it is a different story, if nobody has 7♥ probably the suit won't be introduced at all, so 3♣ is not a good option, double of course is ridicoulous, and 3NT may easylly fail on ♥ lead when 6♣ is cold, nothing is good, nothing is perfect, but IMPs make me bid the safest contract (wich on a goo day will be raised) 5♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chamaco Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 nothing is good, nothing is perfect, but IMPs make me bid the safest contract (wich on a goo day will be raised) 5♣. Certainly nothing is perfect, but playing Leaping Michaels, cuebid then suit shows a huge distributional hand, unsuited for double (such as this one is, IMO). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 This may be stupid, but for some reason I don't like bidding 3NT with this hand. I think I'd take a shot at 5C, although 6 comes to mind. Gimme slightly better clubs and I would do it... lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shanbari Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 i don't like 3nt either, because partner would bid 4h over 3nt most of time. i choose double following 4c/5c bid, depend on partner's strength. (using lebensohl) shan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 Leaping Michaels solves more problems than it creates IMO. Unless you are playing some form of ELC, 2 suiters are unbiddable over preempts. Even if you want to have a 4♣ call available for this hand, its too strong. And its not forcing either. Change my vote to 5♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junyi_zhu Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 [hv=d=e&v=n&s=sakq2hda5caq87542]133|100|Scoring: IMP[/hv] What do you think of DBL and C or, if you have room, of DBL , cue and C?What about 3S? - You are playing Leaping Michaels -Would be 3C a risky bid? Thanks for answering and ... a very Happy New Year! Valeria it's an easy double because you can convert 4H to 5C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 I'd bid 5C. As I can't find out if 3NT is a good contract, I will focus on descibing my strength with clubs as trump. I think that 5C is right on overall strength. Partner will hopefully know that the club king, club length with spade shortness, and outside controls are big. All true except for the heart king. I think that 3S followed by 5C misdescibes the hand. Partner will probably expect solid clubs (unless he/she has the king) and spade shortness. If you have discussed that this just shows a better hand than 5C directly then I agree. The only call worse than Dbl is 3C imo. 3NT doesn't seem right with a void, though it could be the winner. Finally, I like leaping Michaels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 Nasty problem... My initial gut reaction was to jump to 3NT (Probably good that I play with The Hog and Free). After some consideration, I'm less happy about 3N. I have a Heart void and RHO has at most 3. I think that it is too likely that partner has a 6 card heart suit and is would convert to 4H. I'm worried about unilaterally insisting on a 5♣. Here once again, I'm worried about the impact that RHO's preempt will have on the distribution. Clubs could play VERY badly if we get a bad break. I don't like jumping to 5♣. Equally significant, I'll be badly positioned after X since partner is very likely to bid 4H. I think that I'm forced to chose one of 2 calls. The first is 4♣. My playing strength is a bit too strong, however, I'm worried about my trumps and I have a lot of HCP opposite RHO's suit. The second is pass, planing to convert for penalties. Of these, 4♣ seems the most attractive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Winstonm Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 At imp scoring there isn't that much difference between 5C +400 and 3NT +430 or +460; there is a big difference though betwen +920 and +460. This hand, in my opinion, is simply too good to bid 3NT, although it rates to make. Double with this many spades is probably O.K. as partner is not likely to leave it in when I have the spades; but I don't think this gets the message across. We don't preempt over a preempt; any jump bid shows a very good hand. Therefore, I am a 5C bidder; this bid is to make; It is not a sign off bid; partner can still raise to 6 clubs with x, Axxxx, Qxxx, Kxx or the like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
civill Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 Firstly cue-bid,then bid C.3NT looks some rash! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 "3NT looks some rash! " And the cue bid asks for a S stopper, so that looks even more pointless to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fred Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 My regular partner (Brad Moss) and I use a cuebid here to show a strong 1-suiter hand (any suit). Partner's first priority is to bid notrump with a stopper, but the hand that cuebids doesn't have to be looking for a stopper - he might just use the cuebid in order to establish a force on some very strong hand for which a DBL doesn't rate to work out (like this hand). Using this treatment, this hand can cuebid 3S and then bid clubs next. Without this treatment you have a truly impossible problem. I don't think I would double - I would bid some number of clubs, but not sure how many. 6C (which is not one of the answers in the poll) is not unreasonable in my view. A principle that has served me well: When the opponents preempt you can play your partner for one useful high card and a moderate fit for your long suit. Most hands for partner for which this principle applies yield at least some play for 6C (which is why I think 6C is a reasonable guess of this hand). Anyone who thinks that they are going to have a scientific auction in which they can bid the right final contract with confidence is dreaming. Fred GitelmanBridge Base Inc.www.bridgebase.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chamaco Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 We don't preempt over a preempt; any jump bid shows a very good hand. Therefore, I am a 5C bidder; this bid is to make; It is not a sign off bid; partner can still raise to 6 clubs with x, Axxxx, Qxxx, Kxx or the like. Agree on your evaluation of the situiation, Winston:but I simply think that our hand is so good that it needs MUCH less than x -Axxxx - Qxxx - Kxx to make 6C. So, cuebid and then bid clubs would show a hand even stronger than a direct leap to 5C, and is IMO a better call here :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 Agree on your evaluation of the situiation, Winston:but I simply think that our hand is so good that it needs MUCH less than x -Axxxx - Qxxx - Kxx to make 6C. Agree, I think I'd like to be in 7 opposite that hand! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arrows Posted January 13, 2005 Report Share Posted January 13, 2005 I would bid 3♠, whatever parnter takes it is, I hope he could describesomething about his hand; Then I make a guess (hopefully educated one by now)on bidding some number of clubs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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