lycier Posted March 29, 2013 Report Share Posted March 29, 2013 RHO opens 1S, you hold Qxx xx KQx KQ10xx. Will you overcall 2C? Do you think most of your peers make the same choice? 这是来自bbo专家级论坛的问题。贴主han是来自荷兰首都阿姆斯特丹的著名的专家牌手。 题面是: 当右家开叫1♠,你持有:Qxx xx KQx KQ10xx. 问题是:这牌你争叫2C吗?局况:分四种:双有,双无,有局对无局,无局对有局。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
00master Posted March 30, 2013 Report Share Posted March 30, 2013 不是作为问题而提出的话,我会100%的选择2♣争叫。可是专家级的牌手提出这个问题,说明必有可商榷处。期待有关专家的解读~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted March 31, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2013 -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------下面是bbo专家论坛上的部分具有参考价值的意见:-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------1-我首先发言立论: Very good !This is a classical hand which is suitable for bidding at balabced seat,not for overcall,whatever vulnerable or non-vulnerable.so my choice is all pass and never overcall. 我的观点是:非常好的讨论题目!我认为这是一副典型的适合于平衡叫不适合做争叫的牌面,不论有局无局任何局况!所以我的选择是:全都pass,绝不争叫。-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------2- Good hand,opening strength, seems automatic 2♣ bid, only pass after passed partner. 大意是:很好的牌面,拥有开叫实力,看起来可以自动作2c争叫,唯除同伴是pass过的情况。 ---话外音1:---我的评论是:我不认为Adebisi意见很有见地,但出于不能排斥异己之论,才给与翻译,也不反驳。---话外音2:贴主回帖提示:同伴不是叫过pass的一家。-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------3-Do I have 6 card suit? No, do I have extra strengt to compensate? No. So no overcall, I don't expect the others to do the same but they are stll wrong. If playing Ghestem I supose you should even overcall less, since 2♣ bid is already overloaded with some 3♣ preempts. BBO论坛著名的西班牙世界大师Fluffy发表意见,大意是: 我有六张的花色吗?我有额外牌力去作争叫吗?答案是否定的!所以绝不争叫。我不希望其他人再去犯同样的自以为是的错误。如果主打盖当斯约定叫(Ghestem),我认为您更应该少一点参与争叫,因为2c已经超过了某些3c阻击叫的主打负荷实力了。 ---话外音:赢得了一些人的赞同。-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------4-Good problem, since my choice differed with all three vulnerabilities. This does not mean I had a good answer.美国专家牌手phil认为: 非常好的讨论题目!我的选择依据是否有局的局况不同而不同。但,这不意味着我得到了一个好的答案。 ----话外音:我认为phil大师,牌理阐述苍白,似乎什么都没说;解读他的意思是:局况有利时就争叫,局况不利时就pass沉默。也许有空我亲自问问phil,但愿没有曲解。 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------5-w/w MP, w/r imps, w/r MP. I could see myself sometimes overcalling w/w at imps, not sure what my standard action would be, it is the only debatable one in my mind. JLOGIC,很多人不会陌生,这是美国桥协最年轻的桥牌终身大师。大意是:我检视自己,有时候在打imps时我作争叫了,但我尚未确定我的标准叫牌是什么,这也是我心中唯一的一个悬而未决的问题。 ---话外音:无人给予一个鼓励的投票。---------------------------------------------------------------------------------6-To quote Lady Thatcher: No, no, no. 来自荷兰恩斯赫德市的专家gwnn,径直表白自己严肃的态度:引用撒切尔夫人的话说:不,不,不! ---话外音:赢得了一些人的赞同。----------------------------------------------------------------------------------7-Never 来自美国德克萨斯州休斯顿的著名美国专家牌手MrAce,以毋庸置疑的态度,直截了当地说:绝不争叫! ---话外音:很少看到MrAce只说结论的讨论方式。----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 当然还有一些牌手也发表了意见,但大多数态度是鲜明的:不争叫。持反对意见者仅是少数。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted March 31, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 31, 2013 欢迎朋友们借此继续跟着讨论,不要人云亦云。没有好担心的,讨论嘛。桥牌没有绝对,而且常常还不可避免加附者时代的烙印! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madongjun Posted March 31, 2013 Report Share Posted March 31, 2013 专家们还挺幽默,引用了撒切尔夫人的话。我仅会在无对有时做2♣争叫,其他局况PASS。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zyp163 Posted March 31, 2013 Report Share Posted March 31, 2013 无论任何局况,包括双人赛,绝不争叫。理解:1一阶争叫与二阶争叫是天上地下的区别。被加倍的宕一与宕二无论是什么差别大到无法承受。这牌在极限情况下,可能只有二个赢墩。至少你没有确定的5张赢墩,你的的输张达到九个之多。2OPP开叫花中带Q三张是最差的持牌情况。这是一手典型的不采取争叫的牌。3.但这不是一手如上所说一无是处的牌,这手牌颇具防守与进攻弹性,可以应对PD的任何平衡叫,也可防御OPP的有将或者无将成局定约 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wqiqiqi Posted March 31, 2013 Report Share Posted March 31, 2013 1. 我方有局坚决不争叫。 2. 我方无局争叫2C:尚可的C套和牌力。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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