601821297 Posted March 15, 2013 Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 [hv=pc=n&s=s752hj5dj9873ct85&d=s&v=0&b=11&a=p4hdp]133|200[/hv]持有这样一手极弱的牌,面对搭档的加倍我该怎么办 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hejiang Posted March 15, 2013 Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 且不论这个加倍该不该,可以肯定不是惩罚,那么叫吧,43配的4S,希望敌方不加倍。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
world7th Posted March 15, 2013 Report Share Posted March 15, 2013 想什么呢?叫4s?总赢墩定律讲得很清楚,如果43的4s能打成,4h得下3,。对于4h的加倍,不是技术性的,应该是两可的。半惩罚。拿你的牌不能叫。除非你的pd加倍不合格,或者你们约定肯定是技术,那也要叫5d。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
601821297 Posted March 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 揪心的一副牌面,我选择了不叫,记得搭档有17P以上,结果对方4HX= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
world7th Posted March 18, 2013 Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 没什么可遗憾的,弱牌就是要不叫,除非你5张s需要考虑。不能每次都跑,那样opp的4h真是可以随心所欲了。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madongjun Posted March 18, 2013 Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 揪心的一副牌面,我选择了不叫,记得搭档有17P以上,结果对方4HX=没记错的话,搭档是23HCP,5143的牌型。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3ntmk Posted March 18, 2013 Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 必须叫牌。这不是讨论的范围 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
601821297 Posted March 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 看来这幅牌的争议有些大,我把当时的牌面找出来大家看看:[hv=pc=n&s=s752hj5dj9873ct85&w=shakt9643dtck7432&n=saqj43hqdak54caqj&e=skt986h872dq62c96&d=s&v=0&b=11&a=p4hdpp]399|300[/hv]请从南家的实际牌情考虑这牌该怎么叫,不要看4家牌来说哦 :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
world7th Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 我上面3楼说了,如果加不动,那肯定是北家的牌加倍不合格。摊开牌来看,我说的不错,北的牌不适合做加倍。我所说的北家牌不适合加倍指的是在老套约定,技术性加倍直到4d,对4h是半惩罚,保证有将牌赢墩的,但同伴不均牌可以叫。对4s是惩罚。在这种约定情况下,北应该叫4s。虽然也打不成,但没办法。不过如果东家过度贪婪,加倍了你的4s,北家应该考虑是不是再叫4nt,南家再逃叫到5d。不过这就属于赌博般的临场判断了。一般可以看东家的加倍是不是坚决果断,是的话,还是跑了吧。(呵呵,这里就是斗智商了,如果看北家犹豫后叫4s,我往往是拿着凭点没把握的牌果断加倍,而拿着东的牌犹豫加倍,呵呵) 如果你们约定对4h的加倍是技术性的,加倍倒是可以,但此时南就必须叫了。但这就要改动你们的约定了,必须事先说好。 总的来说,关键在于你和pd约定对敌方阻击叫的技术性加倍到4d还是4h。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madongjun Posted March 19, 2013 Report Share Posted March 19, 2013 总的来说,关键在于你和pd约定对敌方阻击叫的技术性加倍到4d还是4h。如果事先没有约定(因为不是固定搭档),通常情况下,这个对4H的加倍是不是技术性加倍呢?那样的5张黑桃,是直接争叫好吗?我觉得,对方叫的红心短,其他三门都有牌值,叫加倍比较贴切--虽然结果不好。顺便问一下,安静的PASS4红心,是不是也是一种选择呢? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hongliu Posted March 20, 2013 Report Share Posted March 20, 2013 如果PD是合格的X,应该PASS!这个X应该是两可的! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hongliu Posted March 20, 2013 Report Share Posted March 20, 2013 如果事先没有约定(因为不是固定搭档),通常情况下,这个对4H的加倍是不是技术性加倍呢?那样的5张黑桃,是直接争叫好吗?我觉得,对方叫的红心短,其他三门都有牌值,叫加倍比较贴切--虽然结果不好。顺便问一下,安静的PASS4红心,是不是也是一种选择呢?这牌一般来讲是要叫4S的!pass 4H你会甘心吗? 从概率来讲,同伴应该是有几张S的! 对于4S来讲,对同伴的要求还是很低的! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
world7th Posted March 20, 2013 Report Share Posted March 20, 2013 刚才翻看21世纪2盖1的时候,惊奇地发现,哈代的技术性加倍是直到4h的!所以这个加倍是技术性而不是两可性的。是俺的观念落伍了!既然加倍是技术性的,那还有什么可遗惑的?当然是毫无疑问、义无反顾地叫出5d!呼呼 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yzdhy668 Posted March 20, 2013 Report Share Posted March 20, 2013 同伴未叫4S,说明北家S套不够直接争叫,X应是技术性的,因为你没叫过牌,5D较好,如S套是有一大牌的3张套也可叫4S。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wuhuan Posted April 3, 2013 Report Share Posted April 3, 2013 再次重温这里的讨论,真过瘾!我们大多数情况下对4H加倍后应叫首先考虑答叫4S,看后world7NT的精彩发言,多了一种答叫选择叫自己的长套。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zyp163 Posted April 5, 2013 Report Share Posted April 5, 2013 我认为:一、这个加倍是技术性,但与技术加倍到4H这一说法没有关系。因为这时一口到局的叫品,开叫人是一手持有八张赢墩的特定牌型,加倍人寻找S三张,或者低花五张的配合。二、总墩数定律不适合这类型的牌。三、加倍人未否认S有五张,承诺低花至少有三张配合,否认低花55以上(否则会用4NT)。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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