jillybean Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 Playing 2/1, forcing 1nt 1H 1N 2H 2N Has your partnership discussed this sequence? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 11-12, inviting game in notrump. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 Playing fnt it shows 10-11 bal, invit. Actually I do not play this, and play the bid as forcing, asking for a singleton, but that is another story. I see little point in playing in 2NT if partner has a 6+ suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted March 13, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 So here's the hand [hv=pc=n&s=sj93hqtdj94caq853&d=n&v=0&b=1&a=1hp1np2hp?]133|200[/hv] MP, IMP, V, NV? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyman Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 raise hearts for sure edit: and as above posters have said, 2N is a NT invite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted March 13, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 raise hearts for sure edit: and as above posters have said, 2N is a NT invite.Raising hearts is a 3 card limit raise for me, same hand as 1H 1N 2x 3H Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyman Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 Raising hearts is a 3 card limit raise for me, same hand as 1H 1N 2x 3H If partner has an extra heart and you have a 3-card limit raise, just bid game imo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 Raising hearts is a 3 card limit raise for me, same hand as 1H 1N 2x 3H if you think that a 9. trump makes such a huge difference, bid game. If not, treat the 6-2 and 6-3 fits equal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 If 2♥ promises 6, what does Opener rebid with a 4522 hand when not playing Flannery? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted March 13, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 If partner has an extra heart and you have a 3-card limit raise, just bid game imo.This is the problem, I dont have a 3 card limit raise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyman Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 2♣; it's clearly imperfect, but it's what we've got. edit to avoid anyone else having the misunderstanding that came following this post: This is in response to Zel's question about 4522. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted March 13, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 If 2♥ promises 6, what does Opener rebid with a 4522 hand when not playing Flannery?6 or a very good 5.2♣, partner knows this can be bid with as few as 2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyman Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 This is the problem, I dont have a 3 card limit raise. I am confused. What I'm saying is that if you hold a 3-card limit raise, bid 4H over 2H. 3H over 2H shows the hand you posted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wyman Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 6 or a very good 5. ...in most systems. Pretty sure that the "or a vg 5" part is nonstandard. Certainly in every partnership I've played, 2H over a forcing NT unambiguously shows 6+. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyman Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 Insufficient but a good bid :) 2C was clearly @ Zel and re: 4522 in the auction 1H-1N Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted March 13, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 I am confused. What I'm saying is that if you hold a 3-card limit raise, bid 4H over 2H. 3H over 2H shows the hand you posted.I was the one who was confused. I'm afraid that bidding game over 2H would get us to too many hopeless games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 I was the one who was confused. I'm afraid that bidding game over 2H would get us to too many hopeless games.Agree. Maybe I am misunderstanding wyman but .. if we bid game with a 3 card limit raise after opener's minimum rebid, then aren't we basically abandoning invitations and treating them all as gameforces? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyman Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 I was the one who was confused. I'm afraid that bidding game over 2H would get us to too many hopeless games. Nah, if you routinely open 10 counts with 6 card suits at the 1-level, don't treat a marginal 9-count or 10-count as a limit raise, especially at MPs. In my experience, you don't get to a no-play game very often at all opposite an 11-16 6-bagger when you're holding a 3 card LR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyman Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 Agree. Maybe I am misunderstanding wyman but .. if we bid game with a 3 card limit raise after opener's minimum rebid, then aren't we basically abandoning invitations and treating them all as gameforces? No because 2H shows extra length. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 So here's the hand [hv=pc=n&s=sj93hqtdj94caq853&d=n&v=0&b=1&a=1hp1np2hp?]133|200[/hv] MP, IMP, V, NV? pass over 2h 2nt would be much more than this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted March 13, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 I was the one who was confused. I'm afraid that bidding game over 2H would get us to too many hopeless games. Agree. Maybe I am misunderstanding wyman but .. if we bid game with a 3 card limit raise after opener's minimum rebid, then aren't we basically abandoning invitations and treating them all as gameforces?Agree :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 there are some reasons to bid game in a major at imps with a 9 card fit with minimum hands. again this would be an easy pass over 2h for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broze Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 I agree with Wyman that if you were going to bid a limit raise and you suddenly discover that p has an extra trump I hardly think it is going to cost you to just bid game in this spot. In fact I would always do so at teams. As for your problem , what would 2♠ have been for you? My p and I have been flipping between playing it as minors and as the 3 card limit raise. If you don't need either of these perhaps it can fill the spot for this hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 No because 2H shows extra length.It sounds like you are saying that all deals with ~22+ points and nine trumps should bid game. That might be a tenable position; is that actually what you mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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