ArtK78 Posted March 12, 2013 Report Share Posted March 12, 2013 IMPs converted to VPs. 12 Board Match. Unfavorable vul. 4th seat. [hv=pc=n&n=saj72hkjdakj83cq2&d=w&v=n&b=12&a=1hp1sd4hpp?]133|200[/hv] (1) Do you agree with the double?(2) What now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted March 12, 2013 Report Share Posted March 12, 2013 I would probably bid 2♦ but double seems to be a reasonable choice (maybe 1NT also). Now I pass, the ♥KJ look like spot cards and partner could be broke. Any bid sounds expensive. Double may be possible but I don't really think I am beating it two, and might help declarer make it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted March 12, 2013 Report Share Posted March 12, 2013 1) Prefer 1NT. 2) Pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted March 12, 2013 Report Share Posted March 12, 2013 DIfficult hand, neither double nor is 1NT is perfect. I am thinking your INITIAL plan was double followed by 2NT. At this vul, I would have gone with 1NT, but certainly don't fault the double choice. My KJ of hearts are useless on this auction, so they probably have seven heart tricks, maybe only six. My partner has nothing, so I probably will only score the ♠A and one or two diamonds. Also, the the vulnerability is all wrong to consider a sacrifice. So this in now an easy pass for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akhare Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 1) X is fine (would consider 1N as well)2) Pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeh Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 1. No I don't, tho it is close. I don't mind offshape doubles in direct seat, but offshape when the opps have bid 2 suits is not attractive to me. I don't want to double and then, if LHO passes, have to choose either 2♦ (wrong suit, and not exactly on strength either) or 2N (just a flat out overbid with KJ tight in hearts). I think I'd downgrade, and I hate downgrading, to 1N. But ask me tomorrow and I might reverse my opinion. 2.All the walruses would double, of course, and it might work out. On a good day, declarer can't ever reach dummy, and we score a trump trick. But real players LISTEN to the auction, which tells us that even if RHO responded light, he rates to have an entry and we then have a 16 point hand with, we hope, 3 defensive tricks. A 4th would be a bonus, regardless of which defender wins it. I would pass. I have held 19-20 counts in this sort of auction enough times that I know I can pass smoothly, but even if I had to tank, I'd still be passing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 Not surprised that I'm in the minority but I love doubling. For starters, opps are w/r and I just won't let them talk me out of a game because they opened and responded. If partner has 5 or 6 points I will take my chances in game. On top of that, since I have diamonds the most likely thing to happen is I get to bid 2D over 2C, and that seems fine. If partner bids 2D I will 2N it but we have a diamond fit so our hand is even better. If LHO rebids 2H, or bids 2C and RHO bids 2H or something like that, I am committed to 2Ning. This might seem scary but again at this vul I am just going to show my hand and not do any downgrading. I have 19 and a 5 card suit, whatever lol. Obviously pass 4H, bidding something would be a beginner bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 I feel like I have had this debate many times on here and in person, but if they are w/r I want to say just don't downgrade and bid your hands value. It is hard for partner to be dealt a 0 or 1 or 2 count, sometimes KJ of hearts is fine (RHO didn't raise, partner could have the queen or the ace or even the T lol), and you could just have game on power that you miss by overcalling 1N. IMO against good players the best way you steal by going bid pass bid or bid bid bid ? is not shutting them out (only happens when they both have weak NTs and cannot make a t/o X), but it's that one hand has a strong hand and inevitably goes low or they downgrade or w/e. On this hand a lot of the time we will play 2D instead of 1N, sometimes we'll play 2N instead of 1N and that is not a huge loss (0 or 3 or 5 imps), compared to possibly getting to a vul game. Nobody is ever Xing you when you X and bid 2N so it is even relatively safe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 1- It is very hard to say whether i agree or not with X, when alternatives are all flawed. I would bid 1NT personally. 2- Having started double, i now definetely pass. Yes i have 19 hcp + 5 card good suit + 4 card side suit and opponents are bidding when they are white vs red. I am aware that we may be being robbed. But light doesnt always mean responder has 0-1-2 hcp, he may as well hold 4-5 hcp or he may have the full value that is available for him ( 7-9 hcp). I see our chances of making game slim to none tbh (KJ and Qx are awful values when we buy the contract at 5 level) I agree pd will pass most of the time, but i am not sure if we can defeat them, let alone being rich with this double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted March 13, 2013 Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 i am a tad surprised to see so many considering 1n 2n or x here---we are entering a live auction opposite a passed p at unfavorable and 2 unlimited opponents. bid 2d this should already show a very strong hand ----if p has anywhere near 7 power (and a dia fit) they willconsider 3d if available. The heart KJ surely is worth at most 1 trick and there is a decent probabilitythey are tram tickets. I see little benefit in too much optimism here. Be happy with getting your side offto what is probably the best lead. bid 2d then PASS over 4h Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jogs Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 i am a tad surprised to see so many considering 1n 2n or x here---we are entering a live auction opposite a passed p at unfavorable and 2 unlimited opponents. bid 2d this should already show a very strong hand ----if p has anywhere near 7 power (and a dia fit) they willconsider 3d if available. The heart KJ surely is worth at most 1 trick and there is a decent probabilitythey are tram tickets. I see little benefit in too much optimism here. Be happy with getting your side offto what is probably the best lead. bid 2d then PASS over 4h I'm with you. Now pard should lead a diamond instead of the club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 i am a tad surprised to see so many considering 1n 2n or x here---we are entering a live auction opposite a passed p at unfavorable and 2 unlimited opponents. Indeed. You get a bigger game bonus when you are vulnerable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 (1) Do you agree with the double?*** No, 2D. (2) What now?*** Pass and hope DAK +SA +CQ. Likely HKJ onside they make. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 If I knew lefty was about to jump to 4♥, I would bid 2♦. But holding 19 points, I would worry that it could actually be our hand. Does 1NT risk missing game? I don't really think so. My range is 16-19 in this situation, so that seems close enough. Look at it another way - if partner has ♦Q and the ♣AJ, he will invite game and we will most probably make it, as we will opposite a lot of seven counts. However, if pard just has a balanced pile, I would much rather play in 1NT than 2NT, since 1NT will pretty much always have some play, whereas 2NT needs quite a bit more from partner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alik1974 Posted March 14, 2013 Report Share Posted March 14, 2013 (1) Sometimes Dbl, sometimes 2♦ (2) Pass. Too many points in opponents' suits and hearts look like ♥ xx . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poky Posted March 16, 2013 Report Share Posted March 16, 2013 IMPs converted to VPs. 12 Board Match. Unfavorable vul. 4th seat. [hv=pc=n&n=saj72hkjdakj83cq2&d=w&v=n&b=12&a=1hp1sd4hpp?]133|200[/hv] (1) Do you agree with the double?(2) What now? (1) No. You have a 2♦ bid.(2) Pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Molyb Posted March 20, 2013 Report Share Posted March 20, 2013 Partner probably has a flattish yargsborough...Also we got the wrong half of the deck to double.2♦, p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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