benlessard Posted March 9, 2013 Report Share Posted March 9, 2013 [hv=pc=n&s=sk5ht753dq5cakq63&d=n&v=0&b=1&a=1hp2cp2dp3hp3sp4cp4dp]133|200[/hv] What is your call ? 3H is GF & show extras (my guess is that 2H would be nf)4D is a cue (not last train) and unfortunatly you dont play serious/Non-s 3Nt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted March 9, 2013 Report Share Posted March 9, 2013 u have all the side suits controlled and a great side source of tricksto go along with your 9+ card tump fit. The 5 level will normally be safebut you cannot safelyy use 4n since p might all too easily bid 5s and put us overboard. I suggest a 5c bid here to let p know about our slaminterest and they should be able to figure out we were afraid to use 4ndue to our lack of controls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antrax Posted March 9, 2013 Report Share Posted March 9, 2013 gszes, what's wrong with a 4♠ cue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted March 9, 2013 Report Share Posted March 9, 2013 4♥. Stop and think before it's too late. Driving to the five level is not safe in a couple of ways: 1. Partner will accept with ♠Ax ♥AQxxx♦AXxxx ♣x, yet slam is very poor. 2. Five is not safe opposite ♠Ax ♥KJxxx ♦AJxx ♣xx. Playing in 5M is considered bad for a reason. We need partner to have a pretty big hand for slam to be good (eg Ax AQxxx AQxx xx), in which case he will not pass 4♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siegmund Posted March 9, 2013 Report Share Posted March 9, 2013 Partner cuebid spades, Phil: he doesn't have xx or Jx, he has A(x)(x). So we are confident we have possibly 1 diamond loser, and then, we care about trump quality only. Admittedly a 4S cuebid now is not solving all our problems unless we have some nice agreements about either 3NT or 4NT, which apparently we don't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted March 9, 2013 Report Share Posted March 9, 2013 Partner cuebid spades, Phil: he doesn't have xx or Jx, he has A(x)(x). So we are confident we have possibly 1 diamond loser, and then, we care about trump quality only. Admittedly a 4S cuebid now is not solving all our problems unless we have some nice agreements about either 3NT or 4NT, which apparently we don't. OK thanks, will change my examples before I get flamed. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted March 9, 2013 Report Share Posted March 9, 2013 OK thanks, will change my examples before I get flamed. ;)You need to change them again, 1 6 seems to be on the diamond finesse and not a disaster in the trump suit or diamond finesse failing and ♥Kx onside, 2 both hands have Q♦, looks like you've treated the given hand as ♦xx rather than Qx. Axx, KQJxx, AJxx, x is plenty for the slam to be good, make the stiff club the J and it's close to cold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted March 9, 2013 Report Share Posted March 9, 2013 You need to change them again, 1 6 seems to be on the diamond finesse and not a disaster in the trump suit or diamond finesse failing and ♥Kx onside, 2 both hands have Q♦, looks like you've treated the given hand as ♦xx rather than Qx. Axx, KQJxx, AJxx, x is plenty for the slam to be good, make the stiff club the J and it's close to cold. Lol, changed queens to jacks. My post is an advert for multi-tasking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted March 9, 2013 Report Share Posted March 9, 2013 Even with it's shortcomings, an immediate Jac2NT raise is better than the delayed raise after a 2/1 ... especially if your 2/1 is not GF and you have to JUMP on your next turn to show ♥ support ( and partner doesn't know if it is 3 or 4 cards ). In other words you have not saved bidding space with your low level 2/1. I structure my Jac2NT so that Opener will FIRST show a 4+ card 2nd suit ( with at least one Ctrl and shortness elsewhere ) . With the next bid, he will show shortness w/or w/o other Ctrls in the remaining 2 suits. This way, Responder will have a wealth of information at the 4-level to make a decision to either go on or sign-off . Also, the question is: do you, as Responder, want to "give" information or "ask" for it ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
twoshy Posted March 10, 2013 Report Share Posted March 10, 2013 For me, cuebidding over 3♠ is not mandatory, so we have already announced some slam interest. (I think that most people would be able to infer that 1♥-2♣-2♦-3♥-3♠-4♥ would contain a cue in clubs, assuming a balanced GF with three hearts can bid 2♥ and J2N with four hearts.) As a result, I feel I have shown enough by far, given that at least one of our less important honours (♠K, either minor queen) is certainly not working and often two won't be. It is far more likely for trumps to be the issue. When partner has both rounded aces and good enough trumps for slam to be playable, he will move over my 4♥ sign off. Even a hand as huge as A, KJxxx, AKJx, Jxx (for me he would have RKCB'd with this a round ago) is an anti-percentage 6♥ (and will you really be in a position to convert to a 50% 6NT?) Just because partner might RKCB over 4♠ and bail out in 5♥, that doesn't mean you should be sloppy and make another slam try on this mud. If you happen to play kickback or 3041 then you'll get what you deserve for your second slam try -- partner won't be able to kickback, he won't be able to ask for the ♥Q, he will play you for a better hand, and he will bid a frequently poor slam. Cyberyeti's Axx, KQJxx, AJxx, x is a hand on which I would move again: x, ATxx, xx, Axxxxx is enough for a 50% slam and this is already a lot of bidding by responder. (Yes the ♥T is cherry-picked but so is the ♥J.) Even our actual hand without the ♠K has a shot at making slam opposite this construction, and we would only get to the five level (and even then only because of what would have been a fatuous 4♣ cuebid). The issues I have are that we have already shown our hand, that the perfect minimum doesn't produce a slam, and some maximums give us at best a 50% shot at slam in hearts. Making another slam try seems too aggressive IMO. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fromageGB Posted March 10, 2013 Report Share Posted March 10, 2013 ... assuming a balanced GF with three hearts can bid 2♥ and J2N with four hearts.but unfortunately we are told that 2♥ would be NF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fromageGB Posted March 10, 2013 Report Share Posted March 10, 2013 Given that we are where we are, I would ace ask, preferably with 4♠, and if with 4NT RKCB, hopefully with the agreement that 2 aces bids 5♥ with or without the Q. Partner will not be minimum, having started a cue bidding sequence. Mine is that hand that should ask, not his, as while I can find out about his trump honours and his AK of diamonds, he cannot discover my crucial minor queens. If we were not where we are, I would prefer an immediate GF 4 card support bid such as 2NT (or preferably 2♠) provided that it had a mechanism that allowed opener to show additional strength. Without this, you are in the dark and have to bid with hope rather than expectation. I think an initial 2 over 1 is OK, provided you have non-serious as part of your armoury, and a 2♥ rebid is GF!Unfortunately, neither is the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quiddity Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 4♥? Time to let partner know that "extras" means a semi-balanced 14-count. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CamHenry Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 4♥? Time to let partner know that "extras" means a semi-balanced 14-count. I can't agree enough. If we hadn't already promised extras, or if we had the ♦K, I'd consider a 5♥ trump quality invite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted March 11, 2013 Report Share Posted March 11, 2013 This is "a semibalanced 14 count"? You have a a running suit, usually only working points and the valuable 4. trump. Will he pass 4 ♥ with x,AKxxx,Axxx,xx? Maybe not the best slam ever, but it has play. So I bid 4 ♠ and take it from there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benlessard Posted March 13, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 13, 2013 IMO its a clear 4H. Opener need at least 3 keycards+ Q of trumps (or 6 trumps) and some other extra for slam to be ok and with most of these hands he will bid over 4H anyway. - 1 keycards- probably minimum for the extras already showned.- No singleton- Qx of diamonds is not working 100% since I have 4 trumps. Hands like AxxKQxxxxAxxx are the only type where you can miss slam if you bid only 4H. In old standard was 2H forcing one round or NF ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finch Posted March 16, 2013 Report Share Posted March 16, 2013 We've shown a game forcing hand with a heart fit and extra values.Any examples suggesting that partner will pass 4H with 3 key cards need a rethink. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted March 16, 2013 Report Share Posted March 16, 2013 Hands like AxxKQxxxxAxxx are the only type where you can miss slam if you bid only 4H. ??????????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted March 16, 2013 Report Share Posted March 16, 2013 In old standard was 2H forcing one round or NF ?In old standard 2♣ promised a club suit and 10+ HCP. The 2♥ rebid by responder showed nothing extra, and, therefore, was not forcing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted March 17, 2013 Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 This may be one of those hands where you are missing the top 2 trumps . Opener could have:♠ A x ♥ Q J x x x x ♦A K x x ♣ x ... especially if Opener's 4D showed at least 2 of the top 3 in his side-suit ( Italian cuebids ) . If you don't use 4S-kicback RKC for ♥, then 4NT would get a 5S reply with this hand . Soo, instead, you could bid 5-of-trump ( 5H ) - - asking for 6H with 2 of the top 3 ♥. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted March 17, 2013 Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 - You have shown your source of tricks- You have shown fit- You have shown extras- You have shown that you have a ♣ control (and partner holds the other controls) So what else do you want to show? I'd just bid 4♥ and show partner that the extra's are not enough to commit to slam. Partner can easily ask about our keycards (and I also guess you don't play Kickback RKC, so normal Blacky from our side is dangerous). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerE Posted March 18, 2013 Report Share Posted March 18, 2013 This is "a semibalanced 14 count"? You have a a running suit, AKQ63 with no none length opposite is far from a "running suit". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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