Save?

[gnasher]

[hv=pc=n&s=skhkqt63dj9765c42&d=w&v=e&b=16&a=1c1h2s(9-11%2C%206%20spades)4h4spp]133|200[/hv]

 

What do you do, and is it close?

 

Would you have done anything different on the previous round? 2NT would have been a mixed 4-card raise, 3♣ and 3♠ would have been high-card raises, and 4♦ would have been a fit bid.

[Codo]

Not too close to bid 5 ♥, pass is the second choice, but with at most one trick in defence and a passing partner...

I had bid 4 ♥ too, my hand looks nearly like a prototype for this bid.

[rhm]

Yes

 

Rainer Herrmann

[Trinidad]

I would play partner for something like a 3523 with 9 HCPs. On defense, I can see a spade trick and a heart, and partner may have a trick in one of the minors, meaning that 4♠ will make. On offense, I see a spade loser and 3 or 4 losers in the minors, meaning that 5♥ will be down 2 or 3.

 

So, yes, I would save. No guarantees, since partner might hold: ♠QTxx ♥AJxxx ♦x ♣Kxx. But if you want guarantees, you shouldn't play bridge.

 

Rik

[PeterAlan]

I probably don't belong in this forum, but I'm wishing I'd bid 5♥ on the previous round and left the last guess with the opposition.

[Trinidad]

I probably don't belong in this forum, but I'm wishing I'd bid 5♥ on the previous round and left the last guess with the opposition.

In general, that is a good tactic.

 

In this case, however, LHO doesn't need to do much guessing. RHO has described his hand pretty accurately. LHO will know precisely what to do whether we bid 5♥ now or in the previous round. As soon as we get the explanation of 2♠, we know that we will be doing the guessing on this hand.

 

Rik

[billw55]

Form of scoring might matter. I think it is an easy save at matchpoints. Not as confident at IMPs but I probably would still do it at these colors.

[JLOGIC]

Yeah I'd save at MP and not at imps

[Finch]

I probably would have bid 4D last round, but I think it's close, it might encourage partner to save too often.

Now I pass, assuming it's imps.

[aguahombre]

As soon as we get the explanation of 2♠, we know that we will be doing the guessing on this hand.

True. And with the OP conditions about the alternatives available, we seem to have chosen the right bid to allow partner to do the guessing. We have a surprise spade King to offset the surprise fifth diamond, so I will gamble our matchpoints or IMPs on partner having made the successful choice.

[han]

I like 4D on the previous round.

[aguahombre]

Are there normally some suit quality expectations for a fit jump?

[chasetb]

I don't know how others plays a FSJ, but I play it as 2 of the top 3, or AJT/AJ9, so I wouldn't even consider 4♦. I see that Frances and han both went with that option though.

[Free]

I like 4D on the previous round.

I don't like the suit quality, and with partner on lead it's quite dangerous imo.

[lalldonn]

I hate 4♦. I'm fine with 4♥ and then making our decision next round, well perhaps fine is an overbid but I'm satisfied that I don't like anything else better. I don't think 4♦ will generally help partner make a better decision at all. For example he might double with a singleton diamond which is really not much of a contribution to our defensive prospects here.

[PhilKing]

I would bid 5♥. I doubt there is much in it either way, but say we faced this position 4 times and the results were -500 (win 3) -650 (flat) -300 (win 8) -500 (lose 12) I would suggest that was a fairly unlucky sequence.

 

I don't think they will go down as often one time in four, we will go for 300 more than one time in three, and occasionally they will push to 5♠ down one.

[aguahombre]

Can't we improve on those numbers by (having shown what we hold) letting partner do her own math and make the choice?

[PhilKing]

Can't we improve on those numbers by (having shown what we hold) letting partner do her own math and make the choice?

 

Yes! We can designate that 4♥ shows exactly these 13 cards - that should do it. Now partner will know to sacrifice with ♠xxx ♥AJxxx ♦xx ♣Kxx. You can add the ♦Q or ♠Q or both and they will still make 4♠.

 

Sadly, we will have to disclose this fine agreement, and the opposition will simply push to 5♠ and drop our stiff king.

[aguahombre]

That was a helpful answer and a well-chosen example of a hand where the choice by partner might be wrong or break even.

[PhilKing]

That was a helpful answer and a well-chosen example of a hand where the choice by partner might be wrong or break even.

 

-300 versus 620. Glad I could help.

[aguahombre]

I guess we disagree on whether pard has the brains to bid 5H herself on XXX AJXXX XX KXX, knowing my hand contains five hearts and nothing else. She might, on a good day even know I only have one spade.

[PhilKing]

I guess we disagree on whether pard has the brains to bid 5H herself on XXX AJXXX XX KXX, knowing my hand contains five hearts and nothing else. She might, on a good day even know I only have one spade.

 

If you say we disagree, then I guess I have to believe you.

[Fluffy]

I would have bid 4♦, but I make to omany fit bids. As it is now I take the push.

[CSGibson]

I take the push.

[Alik1974]

I would bid 5♥ at MPs and toss a coin in IMPs.