Do you find the Moysian fit?

[xx1943]

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[Antrax]

S deals:

1♦-2♣ (GF)

2♦(5+)-3♦ (3+, no 4CM to show)

3♠-4♦

5♦

 

N deals:

1♣-1♦

1NT-2♣ (checkback)

2♦-3NT

 

In other words: no, I don't.

[mike777]

1d=2nt

p or 3nt

[helene_t]

Difficult . Maybe (s opens )

1d-2d

2s-3s

4s

but i will probably bid as antrax

[ggwhiz]

With North to open,

 

1♣ - 1♦

1nt - 2♠ (game force)

2nt - 3♣ (patterning out) warns North about the short hearts.

 

With South to open,

 

Not a chance

 

Pard and I are congratulating each other profusely if we negotiate the auction above to 4♠.

[Siegmund]

With at least one of my regular partners it will start

 

1D - 2NT (natural GF, may conceal 4CM in otherwise NT-oriented hand)

3S

 

And now it's a matter of judgment for North: partner said he was 4S-5D and afraid of one of the round suits for notrump. Will he consider the 4-3 fit even though the ruffs will happen in the long hand?

 

Honestly, I doubt it. (Are you sure you really want to be in 4S, if spades break 4-2 and they attack hearts? No guarantee it will make.)

 

* * *

 

With another partner it would go

1D - 2C (11+, denies 4CM, an "inverted minor non-raise")

2S (spades stopped, not hearts) - 3D

 

and...well... at least we've avoided the doomed 3NT.

[aguahombre]

sieg: lose first three heart tricks and claim...standard Moysean play.

[xx1943]

Honest

 

(Are you sure you really want to be in 4S, if spades break 4-2 and they attack hearts? No guarantee it will make.)

 

 

Discard clubs to the 2nd and 3rd round of hearts and you'll overcome a spade 4==2 distribution without tears.

[TWO4BRIDGE]

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Ever notice whenever one sees bid and play in the Moysian that Declarer's side has at least the top 3 trump honors. How do they know that?

 

South deals:

1D - 2C! ( 2/1 GF )

2D ( 5+ takes priority over mentioning 4 cd Major )

..... - 3D ( 3+ cds , NO 4 cd Major )

3S ("good" Major, unbalanced, still probing for 3NT, but concern about ♥ and/or ♣)

..... - 4S ( I have a "good" 3 cds, offering a choice of games: 4S, 4NT, 5D )

[lowerline]

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South opening:

1♦-2nt(1)

3♠(2)-4♠(3)

p (4)

 

(1) 12-14/18-19 balanced without a 4crd major

(2) unbalanced natural

(3) with an expected singleton in ♥ or ♣, this is a proposal to play in the 4-3 fit

(4) can correct to 5♦ with a 6crd diamond suit

 

North opening:

1♣-1♦

1nt-2♠

2nt-3♣

3♦ (1) - 3nt (2)

4♠ (3) -p (4)

 

(1) shows the diamond fit in case S has slam interest

(2) no slam interest

(3) with the known shortness in hearts, this proposes the 4-3 fit

(4) 4♠ is one trick less than 5♦...

 

Both sequences are reasonable but might be judged differently at the table. In the first sequence North might bid 4♦ iso 4♠ and then you will likely end up in 5♦. In the second sequence North might show his diamond support earlier (bidding 3♦ iso 2nt), then 4♠ becomes unlikely again.

 

Steven

[Free]

Discard clubs to the 2nd and 3rd round of hearts and you'll overcome a spade 4==2 distribution without tears.

Unless they play a 4th round of ♥ ofcourse.

[helene_t]

The fourth heart we can just ruff in dummy. And then take our ten tricks.

[Free]

The fourth heart we can just ruff in dummy. And then take our ten tricks.

How will you draw trumps? Unless partner has ♠AQ you have a problem.

[helene_t]

North opens (playing 4-cards up the line):

1♣-1♦

1NT-2♠

3♠-4♠

 

North opens (playing Walsh):

1♣-1♦

1NT-2♠

3♦-4♦ (or maybe 3♥?)

4♠

[helene_t]

How will you draw trumps? Unless partner has ♠AQ you have a problem.

Ah sorry, I thought you were refering to the actual hands. No, given the info that we have marginal values for game and a 4-3 fit of unknown quality, no I would be happy to be able to stop in a diamond or spade partscore.

[Zelandakh]

If South opens:

1♦ = 4+ diamonds, unbal, max 17

... - 1♥ = INV+ relay

1NT = 4+ spades, not 4+ hearts

... - 2♣ = GF relay

2♦ = min, not 3-suited

... - 2♥ = relay

2NT = 5 diamonds

 

Then either

... - 3♥ = stopper ask

4♣ = nat, no heart stop

... - 4♠

or

... - 3♦ = relay

3♥ = 4153

... - 4♠

 

If North opens then a possible auction would be:

1NT = (11)12-14

... - 2♣ = Puppet

2♦ = no 5M

... - 2♥ = asks if 4 spades

2NT = <4 spades, min

... - 3♥ = stopper ask (shortage)

3♠ = nat, denies heart stop

... - 4♠

[lexlogan]

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If North opens:

1♣-1♦

2♦-2♠

3♠-4♠ looks reasonable, 3♠ is obviously not four card support

 

Assuming South opens:

1♦-2NT (balanced, game-forcing, 13-15 or 18+, generally denies 4 in a major)

3♥ (singleton or void, ala Jacoby 2NT)- 3♠ (fragment, suggesting no heart stopper)

At this point South is aware that the 4-3 fit has the shortage in the wrong hand, but with 27+ hcp 4S looks better than 5D. The plan is to pitch clubs rather than ruff in the South hand.

 

Playing the sort of 2/1 GF common around here:

1♦-2♣

2♦-3♦

3♠-4♠, clearly only 3 given the failure to bid 2♠ last round...

[fromageGB]

Not a chance. We find 4-3 major fits when the 3 card suit has a shortage, not otherwise. And do I want to be in 4♠ on whatever bidding you may concoct?. No. It makes only because you happen to have 10 tricks off the top. How common is that? Normally you have to lose a trick to set a suit up.

[JLOGIC]

1C 1D

1N 2D* (art gf)

2N 3H (shortness)

3S 4S

 

The totally natural auction of bidding around the shortness seems fine too.

 

South deals:

 

1D 2C

2D 3D

3S 4S

P