Hilver Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 You play good old Precision, You hold:♠ A K 10 9 ♥ A 8 6♦ 10 9 8 (Edited!)♣ A 8 7 Your 1NT = 13-15 HCP1NT after opening 1♣ = 16-18 HCP. Do treat this hand as 13-15 or 16-18? Thx Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 13-15 I dislike 4333 strong enough to devalue the ups of this hand.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 16-18. I have aces and kings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 You have 14 cards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 You have 14 cards.That is what makes it worth an upgrade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hilver Posted February 22, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 You have 14 cards. Thx, You have a diamond less. Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hilver Posted February 22, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 That is what makes it worth an upgrade. :rolleyes: Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NickRW Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 I hate 4333 hands a lot - but this one has too many controls and intermediates to not upgrade IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasetb Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 I will open 1NT. Aces and Kings are bad for NT if you don't have a way to develop any tricks, and while the intermediates are nice, you are still 4333 shape. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrecisionL Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 I open 1♣ because it has 7 controls and 3 Aces = 16.5 pts but -1 for 4333 and + 0.5 for T9 with AK in spades, thus 16 pts adjusted count. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 1NT for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
straube Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 knr=16.85DK=16+Bonzai points=14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 Do treat this hand as 13-15 or 16-18?I really think that the correct answer to this question is YES! In any event, I open it a 13-15 1NT if that is what I am playing. I would rather treat this hand as the top of my range than the bottom of the 16-18 range. By the way, I realize that this hand occurred in the context of a Precision system, but the question being asked really does not fall in the category of "Non-natural Systems." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lalldonn Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 Definitely upgrade. I very rarely upgrade with this shape, but those spot cards and controls are too ridiculously good to ignore. I don't even think this is close. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 Upgrade even 4333. But I want partner to declare when he has tenaces. I choose 1D. Expect 1D-1H-1S-1N or 1D-1N. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 By the way, I realize that this hand occurred in the context of a Precision system, but the question being asked really does not fall in the category of "Non-natural Systems."Funnily enough, I disagree somewhat with this since original Precision did not advocate too many upgrades or downgrades. In that respect, I would expect the majority of players from that era to have simply opened 1NT. However, I think this hand is definitely worth 16. In other words, it depends on your mentality for upgrading and downgrading. As long as Responder is going to downgrade their quacks properly, then I think upgrading this hand is fine. If not, then I think opening 1NT is also ok. With the more modern style of a lot of upgrading, 1♣ would seem to be clear. But the (original) Precision context makes it likely that this is not the case - that is what might well make it relevant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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