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Yes I bid 3 also and partner raised to 4. Down 2 as west has AKJ108 and can give east 2 club ruffs. This was a very ordinary club MP evening giving us an equal bottom. 3N makes but no pair in it. 4makes but it seems a bit much expecting partner to rebid diamonds. Had she done so is this passable?

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Hi,

 

3S is normal, 2S is your weakest response, and I have a way better hand,

than my normale rubbish.

3S is not forcing, just invitational, but I am not familiar with a style,

that plays 2D as forcing. I would guess your partner could be slightly weaker,

than the hand she happens to have.

Does 2D it deny a fit? If it does, and if 2D showes 5 1/2 diamonds, 3D may be

an alternative to 3S.

 

Regarding the final result: You reached game, holding a combined 25HCP count,

a misfit to a certain extend, game did not make, next bord.

 

With kind regards

Marlowe

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I think 2 would be pretty ridiculous. The first alternative to 3 would surely be 2NT; third choice the overbid of 3. 2 just does not enter the frame. A better question to ask would have been Advancer's second bid. Overcaller has shown around 12-14, so passing 3 on the presumed misfit would not be outrageous, certainly not as bad as a 2 rebid from Overcaller.
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  • 2 weeks later...

I am not familiar with 2/1 when advancing an overcall being forcing either (as Marlowe). But, if we did play 2D as forcing, advancer passing a jump rebid from partner would be from another planet.

 

As for the 3S rebid "showing" 12-14 (per Zel), I don't understand unless the top of your overcalls is 14. Our top is 17-ish.

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As for the 3S rebid "showing" 12-14 (per Zel), I don't understand unless the top of your overcalls is 14. Our top is 17-ish.

With a maximum overcall you can cue bid a game-forcing 3. That is: 2 min; 2NT/3 extras but not GF; 3 = GF. I thought I had effectively written this in the previous post by describing 3 as an overbid.

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With a maximum overcall you can cue bid a game-forcing 3. That is: 2 min; 2NT/3 extras but not GF; 3 = GF. I thought I had effectively written this in the previous post by describing 3 as an overbid.

O.K., then that makes two things from this thread I am unfamiliar with. The first was a forcing 2D; the second is 3C by the overcaller being an artificial cue when no fit has been established. We would use 3C to show 5+ clubs.

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If you play 2 as forcing, then either the intervenor needs a whole lot to intervene or otherwise your partner's 2 is an overbid (You could have bid 1 with much less). Also IMO a bid of 3NT might be better than 4 . Your partner has no fit for you; you can always remove to 4 if you must.
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