CSGibson Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 [hv=pc=n&s=sj8653ha984dt72ca&d=n&v=e&b=9&a=2s(frequently%205)2n4s4npp]133|200[/hv] 2♠ is frequently 5, but if 5, then it will be unbalanced - aggressive but not suicidal preempting style. Opponents are a national caliber pro pair in the final of a Bracket 1 knockout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 Pass? I expect to beat them a lot and at the very least imagine they had a misunderstanding about 4N (LHO must have 2 suits and RHO took it as nat, a pretty reasonable misunderstanding to have). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 I only see 9 tricks in spades at most, so nothing to protect. Partner would need to have 4 clubs for 4♠ to make. I'd just pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mbodell Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 Assuming this is IMP scoring, as bracket 1 ko tends to indicate, you are getting horrible IMP odds too. 4NT is a terrible contract for them, and 5♠ will get doubled and is nearly certain to go down at least 2 or 3 tricks. You have two A and can start leading spades, a suit you have often 11 of, sometimes only 10, and the opponents will often have stopped only once, sometimes twice. Even if you give the 5♠ sac pretty good odds like 10% down 1, 30% down 2, 40% down 3, and 20% down 4, and if you assume they will only even make 10 tricks or 9 tricks (which is pessimistic because often times if you set them you are setting them 2 or 3 or more undertricks at 100 a pop), they need to make more than 75% for you to bid on. If you make the save a little worse like 25% down 2, 50% down 3, and 25% down 4, now even if they make 90% of the time and are only down 1 the other 10% of the time it is still bad IMP odds to save. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmnka447 Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 Pass. If they have made the right judgement to stop in 4 NT, so be it. You mentally tip your hat to them as top notch players and get on with the next board. But, as JLOGIC points out, there is a possibility they may have had a misunderstanding. There's also no absolute guarantee that the 2 NT bidder has more than one ♠ stopper. You'll get at least a second chance to play on ♠s. If partner can conjure up a useful stopper, 4 NT may be doomed anyway. So defensive prospects are at least reasonable. The worst thing would be to sac at 5 ♠ Dbld and find that 4 NT goes down. If you had just one A (where their chances of making increase quite a bit), then saccing at 5 ♠ would be more attractive. You have too much defense to do so here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSGibson Posted February 22, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 Ok, just judgement-checking. It turns out that both 4N and 4S make on this board (partner had KTxxx Kx x 9xxxx, diamonds 6-3 and clubs 5-2, 2N bidder with AQ in spades). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fromageGB Posted February 23, 2013 Report Share Posted February 23, 2013 I see I am the only person who voted for 5♠ Maybe that's why I don't play at the top level, but I have no confidence in getting 4NT down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jogs Posted February 24, 2013 Report Share Posted February 24, 2013 Ok, just judgement-checking. It turns out that both 4N and 4S make on this board (partner had KTxxx Kx x 9xxxx, diamonds 6-3 and clubs 5-2, 2N bidder with AQ in spades). I too would pass 4NT. Think EW can hold you to 9 tricks in spades.East must allow West to win a diamond and lead a trump. It is possible for opener to bid 5♠ if you started with a fitshowing 4♥ call. Fit showing is 9 cards in two suits. Usuallyit is 5-4 with 5 in the bid suit. But it can also be 4-5 or 6-3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted February 25, 2013 Report Share Posted February 25, 2013 If anything I would Dbl, but I'm afraid they just had a bidding misunderstanding so I'll pass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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