Poky Posted December 20, 2004 Report Share Posted December 20, 2004 MP. All love. Expert partner, no special agreement about support doubles. ♠AK63♥KQ5♦6♣KQ1085 1♣ - pass - 1♥ - 1♠??? What is a typical hand for bidding:- Dbl- 1NT- 2S- 2NT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LH2650 Posted December 21, 2004 Report Share Posted December 21, 2004 In Bridge World Standard, you could bid 3H. I would here, even though I dislike it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted December 21, 2004 Report Share Posted December 21, 2004 i'd double... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pbleighton Posted December 21, 2004 Report Share Posted December 21, 2004 Double. Says I have a good hand with no bid. Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted December 21, 2004 Report Share Posted December 21, 2004 Double is a support double, usually not as strong as this, but when I bid again partner should get the gag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cf_John0 Posted December 21, 2004 Report Share Posted December 21, 2004 Dbl! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joker_gib Posted December 21, 2004 Report Share Posted December 21, 2004 Dbl : support or strong hand (I have both so no problem ! <_< ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted December 21, 2004 Report Share Posted December 21, 2004 Dbl or 3♦... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joker_gib Posted December 21, 2004 Report Share Posted December 21, 2004 3♦ ?? Are you serious ? <_< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daswallow Posted December 21, 2004 Report Share Posted December 21, 2004 presume 3♦ is a splinter raise. I will go for 2♠ to find out more about partner's hand, but x should work out ok too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joker_gib Posted December 21, 2004 Report Share Posted December 21, 2004 Splinter raise without a real fit and ruff with big honours ! Not my cup of tea ! :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chamaco Posted December 21, 2004 Report Share Posted December 21, 2004 In competition, splinters are better used to show shortness in opps suit, not in a side suit, so I might venture a splinter if I had spades shortness here, not diamonds singleton. Whether or not pard plays support double, double stands out as the easier bid, IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted December 21, 2004 Report Share Posted December 21, 2004 Double is out of the question for me (those playing support doubles, this works, but this is a very heavy support double and you have to admit you are not passing 2♥ by partner). 1NT looks nice, stregnth right, spades stoppers great, but did you notice the singleton in the unbid suit? Just curious if you did. Despite this, among the choices I like 1NT best. 2♥? Cough.. really, that is a huge underbid. 2NT - nope. 2♠ - about right on stregnth, and you can make a move back towards hearts next, not exactly sure how you will choose between 3NT/4♥/3♥ however. So the only people with a clear cut bid here are those who play support doubles. They can double then show extra values, perhaps by bidding 2NT over 2♥. One bid not mentioned is pass. It is hard to pass with support and good hand, but here that option is alive due to your long spades, parnter is very likely to reopen as he rates to be short in spades. Anyway, tough hand for non-support doublers. I would go with 1Nt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted December 21, 2004 Report Share Posted December 21, 2004 1NT seems fair to me as well, although 2/3H comes to mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted December 21, 2004 Report Share Posted December 21, 2004 Double is out of the question for me (those playing support doubles, this works, but this is a very heavy support double and you have to admit you are not passing 2♥ by partner). 1NT looks nice, stregnth right, spades stoppers great, but did you notice the singleton in the unbid suit? Just curious if you did. Despite this, among the choices I like 1NT best. 2♥? Cough.. really, that is a huge underbid. 2NT - nope. 2♠ - about right on stregnth, and you can make a move back towards hearts next, not exactly sure how you will choose between 3NT/4♥/3♥ however. So the only people with a clear cut bid here are those who play support doubles. They can double then show extra values, perhaps by bidding 2NT over 2♥. One bid not mentioned is pass. It is hard to pass with support and good hand, but here that option is alive due to your long spades, parnter is very likely to reopen as he rates to be short in spades. Anyway, tough hand for non-support doublers. I would go with 1Nt. Ben, I think 1N is a huge underbid,it only shows good 13-14HCP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted December 21, 2004 Report Share Posted December 21, 2004 Ben, I think 1N is a huge underbid,it only shows good 13-14HCP. Responder might have bid 1H with 5 points. Bidding a 1NT now should promise a bit more than a min: 1C pass 1H 1Spass = bal or unbal 11-13 points 1C pass 1H 1S1NT = bal 14, or unbal 14-16 without a better bid It is a better usage of steps to split points this way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted December 21, 2004 Report Share Posted December 21, 2004 Ben, I think 1N is a huge underbid,it only shows good 13-14HCP. Responder might have bid 1H with 5 points. Bidding a 1NT now should promise a bit more than a min: 1C pass 1H 1Spass = bal or unbal 11-13 points 1C pass 1H 1S1NT = bal 14, or unbal 14-16 without a better bid It is a better usage of steps to split points this way. good 17 is quite different from 13,14. I would much prefer 2N rather than 1N. This just distort my hand too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikestar Posted December 21, 2004 Report Share Posted December 21, 2004 For those of us who play takeout doubles here and raise partner's major freely on three, I like double. Odds are miniscule that partner will leap to 5D and I correct and lower bid to hearts--which should show precisely three trumps and too strong for the single raise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted December 22, 2004 Report Share Posted December 22, 2004 huh? 1n? showing a decent weak NT with spades well stopped? no thx. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joker_gib Posted December 22, 2004 Report Share Posted December 22, 2004 huh? 1n? showing a decent weak NT with spades well stopped? no thx. Agree with Justin ! I don't understand 1NT here. If you want to bid NT then bid 2NT ! Alain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted December 22, 2004 Report Share Posted December 22, 2004 huh.. so what do you want the free 1NT rebid for? An 18-19 balanced hand??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted December 22, 2004 Report Share Posted December 22, 2004 huh.. so what do you want the free 1NT rebid for? An 18-19 balanced hand??? No, 1N rebid is much different from without RHO's overcall. With 15-17balanced, you would open 1N, with 18-19 you rebid 2N, or 3N. You may want to upgrade ur hand after RHO's overcall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Posted December 22, 2004 Report Share Posted December 22, 2004 I would double, first i think most play support even if didnt talk about it, second i dont think its such a bad bid even when playing t.o (and its is ok also if playing penalty)About the Nt ranges mentionedAlthough it might be tempting to bid 1nt with 12 hcp and AJx in spade, i think this bid should show more and this hand could be its upper range(although maybe its just too good)I dont really understand why the double is so out of the questions for those who doesnt play support double, i will bid 2h/3h over 2d/3d and dont think the damage is so big. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chamaco Posted December 22, 2004 Report Share Posted December 22, 2004 Here I will assume we are NOT playing support double, otherwise it seems pretty straightforward to double. It should be defined whether opener's double is primarily a takeout or primarily a mild penalty suggestion. I believe Opener's double shows extras with no clear rebid, with tolerance for pard's eventual penalty pass. If we assume that 1NT rebid shows just a fair hand, either balanced or with shortness in pard's suit (say a decent 14 to a crappy 16) with serious stopper, then 1NT here is a clear underbid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firechief Posted January 11, 2005 Report Share Posted January 11, 2005 I'll double, but I'm really hoping partner pulls. If partner does sit it out, maybe he's got 3 spades and 4 hearts (crossing fingers). It isn't so bad to start with double no matter what partner thinks I have. I don't like 1ntJoel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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