Vampyr Posted February 27, 2013 Report Share Posted February 27, 2013 Surely the point is that if Opener wanted to be unethical, the best way for them to give freedom for their partner in this situation may well be to bid 2♥ without alerting. That is not to say that any given player who did this in Opener's position is actually unethical, only that the actions of these 2 hypothetical groups are indistinguishable. It is a shame that only one upvote per person is permitted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mycroft Posted February 27, 2013 Report Share Posted February 27, 2013 oh, so like this auction? [hv=d=n&v=n&b=5&a=1n(15-17)2h(Hearts%20and%20a%20minor)d2n(minor%3F)3s]133|100[/hv] In this case, as it turns out, it was a "stolen bid" double, and South showed spades. No Alert. Having said that, he, of course, was 3=5=3=2 (he knew it was a stolen bid double and simply lost his mind for a second), and 3♠x went for 14. But it doesn't sound like it, does it? And what if opener didn't have 4♠, and passed out 3♣? The play would have been suboptimal if declarer asked what the double was... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSGibson Posted March 1, 2013 Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 opener is suposed to alert if he doesn't know, since one of the possible meanings is artificial. I have this problem often when I partner godzilla and he bids whatever after they overcall my 1NT opening, from my experience he can have any suit, including the one opponents have shown on the overcall. I disagree strongly. I think opener is supposed to alert if he thinks he has an agreement, whether he knows it or not, and one of the possible meanings is alertable. I understand that later it was revealed that they do have an agreement, which is that 2D is natural (not alertable). I don't see any UI constraints in this, though there may be MI if they had asked about agreements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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