Antrax Posted February 10, 2013 Report Share Posted February 10, 2013 [hv=pc=n&s=sk876543hdckt9765&d=n&v=0&b=1&a=1hp1sdr(3%21S)2d]133|200[/hv]Matchpoints. Partner's redouble was support, showing exactly three spades. If you disagree with 1♠, please let me know. Jumps in a new suit would've been weak, 1NT semi-forcing, 2♣ game forcing.What do you bid now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarabin Posted February 10, 2013 Report Share Posted February 10, 2013 I don't know your partner or your system but I would bid 3♦,asking partner for a further feature (hopefully clubs). Second choice would be 2♠, hoping to buy the contract at the lowest possible level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antrax Posted February 10, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2013 The general approach is 2/1 GF, 5 card majors. 3♦ would've forced to game and partner's first obligation would've been to bid NT with a ♦ stopper (this being matchpoints and all). Without a stopper he can bid 3♥ to show extra length or 3♠ to say "nothing to show". He will probably bid 4♣ if he is 3=5=1=4 or 3=5=0=5. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarabin Posted February 10, 2013 Report Share Posted February 10, 2013 I am only interested in 2 things: how many clubs does partner hold & who has the ♠A & ♣A? Would partner cue-bid the ♣A if I had jumped to 3♠? I want to buy the contract and am happy to play 4♠. I just dont want to miss a slam. Of course I'll be happy to double clubs at any level. My guess: West is 5-4 in minors, North 5-3-3-2. Aces & queens in spades & clubs are the only important cards. Over 3NT I'll bid 4♣, over 4♦ 5♣, anything else 4♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted February 10, 2013 Report Share Posted February 10, 2013 But you said you might want to bid a non forcing 2♠? I supose the chances to play there are almost non existant, but partner won't react very well after you make a weak bid and then start to jump around. I would bid 3♦. bidding my hand on a strong way, looking to buy it at 4♠, 5♠ might not be safe, and 6♠ looks very hard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinidad Posted February 10, 2013 Report Share Posted February 10, 2013 Partner probably has some vague hand. And now we want to gain more information from that vague hand by bidding 3♦? What information is partner going to give? Right, the information that we need if we have a vague hand. Partner will typically tell us whether from his point of view 3NT would be a good contract. But do we have a vague hand? NO! We know where we want to go. Let us bid our suits a couple of times first and then later we can cue diamonds to show the void. If you bid 3♦ here, you are assuming that partner cannot bid other than answering your questions. If you trust partner to be able to evaluate his hand, you are just bidding your suits, starting with a simple 3♣. Rik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted February 10, 2013 Report Share Posted February 10, 2013 3♣, let partner know you've got a lot of black cards, they're going to bid more diamonds next, on a really good day only 3 of them and you can bid 4♣ next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarabin Posted February 10, 2013 Report Share Posted February 10, 2013 If I bid 2♠,my second choice, then I repeat ♠at minimum level and suppress clubs,unless partner comes to life in a big way. ♣seem to be our weakness.Probably partner has ♠A and West top ♦& ♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmnka447 Posted February 10, 2013 Report Share Posted February 10, 2013 With this 7-6 player, I'm not stopping short of 4 ♠ now that I know there is a 10 card spade fit. But what's needed is to elicit more information from partner about his hand. So immediately I'm bidding 3 ♣ which since I'm an unpassed hand is absolutely forcing. Unless partner does something really exciting, next round I'm bidding at least 4 ♠. Partner can never know that I'm 7-6, but at least he'll know that I'm at least 6-4 in the black suits which may allow him to carry on toward slam with the right cards. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted February 11, 2013 Report Share Posted February 11, 2013 I'd just bid 4S, LHO showed club length 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cherdano Posted February 11, 2013 Report Share Posted February 11, 2013 I understand why you could be worried about this hand. Give partner something like Jxx AKxxx Kxx xx, LHO the expected spade void and the club honours, and you might not make 2♠ on a diamond lead. Nevertheless, I will take all my courage to bid 4♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinidad Posted February 11, 2013 Report Share Posted February 11, 2013 I'd just bid 4S, LHO showed club lengthThat's a good point. My wife said just the same thing about 4 hours ago. When she wakes up tomorrow morning, I'll tell her you agree with her. ;) Rik Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antrax Posted February 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2013 At the table I bid 4♠ - a question to 3♦ bidders (and 3♣, to a lesser extent): what is your plan if it goes 3♦/3♣-(5♦)-X-(p)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarabin Posted February 11, 2013 Report Share Posted February 11, 2013 (edited) I think the question then becomes: what do you bid over 5♦? Sorry this crossed with Antrax's post. Edited February 11, 2013 by Scarabin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarabin Posted February 11, 2013 Report Share Posted February 11, 2013 I pass the double, and this also applies if I had bid 4♠. I see the hands as something like this (although I'll probably look stupid when you show the actual hands), J & under should be "x's" :[hv=pc=n&s=sk876543hdckt9765&w=s2h32dakq32caq432&n=saq9hakq654d654c8&e=sjthjt987djt987cj]399|300[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antrax Posted February 11, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2013 If this is the layout, wouldn't you rather be in 6♠? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarabin Posted February 11, 2013 Report Share Posted February 11, 2013 Only if this is the exact layout. Give East one more spade and have West lead the ace of clubs. I think the slam is too fragile and the penalty more robust. But to go for slam I need to know North has a club control, preferably void. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antrax Posted February 12, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 Both hands: [hv=pc=n&n=saqtha8765dk9753c]133|100[/hv][hv=pc=n&s=sk876543hdckt9765]133|100[/hv] I bid 4♠, AP, and made 15 tricks on the ♦A lead and two revokes. Not sure if it's good or bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scarabin Posted February 12, 2013 Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 Sorry for the poor joke but 2 revokes are definitely bad! How was the MP result? Would like to see the East-West hands - I am still plugging away at my program and presently working on reconstructing the hidden hands. Thanks for the topic I really enjoyed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antrax Posted February 12, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 12, 2013 Unfortunately I don't have the hand records. The MP result was second only to the pair who got doubled in 4♠. And yeah, I guess the abundance of voids makes people more likely to revoke :)Glad you enjoyed it, I thought it was a good problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted February 13, 2013 Report Share Posted February 13, 2013 I think the main choices here are 4♦ and 4♠. I cannot see that 3♦ brings us further and it has a big downside. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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