yaohung Posted February 8, 2013 Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 [hv=pc=n&e=sa86hak75dk4ca753&d=s&v=e&b=3&a=3dp4d]133|200[/hv] Takeout X is up to 4Hwhat's the call?? The reason for your call and the expectation for your partner's hand to support your decision. IMP or MP make any differences? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerE Posted February 8, 2013 Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 Pass in tempo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted February 8, 2013 Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 Umm, double for takeout. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerE Posted February 8, 2013 Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 I'm not going to fall in love with my hand here. I have a LOT of losers, especially if opener doesn't have the A♦, which always seems to show up in dummy on these auctions... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSGibson Posted February 8, 2013 Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 Easy and standard double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted February 8, 2013 Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 Failure to double here is masterminding to the nth degree. I double. MP, IMPs, doesn't matter which. What does partner have to support my action? I don't particularly like the way the question was phrased. My action is based on the cards in my hand. Partner had to have enough money to pay his entry fee. As for his hand, 13 cards would be a good start. I hope that they are distributed between the suits and the ranks so that whatever action he takes over my double will be successful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerE Posted February 8, 2013 Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 I think mindless doubling here is kinda bad, to be honest. This is frequently a hand where nobody makes 10 tricks anywhere, and I'd much rather be plus than minus. Given my hand, which I don't think has offensive strength commiserate with it's HCP, and given that partner passed over 3♦, I think it's actually a fairly small range where doubling wins. If playing very old fashioned agreements, with takeout doubles only through 3♠ or something, I'd feel better about doubling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
straube Posted February 8, 2013 Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 A little bit deja vu for me. Last night... 3D P 4D ? Partner had AK96 KJ94 K9 Q95 and doubled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akhare Posted February 8, 2013 Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 X -- at that vul. they are probably just toying around with us, and we might well go for -800 or worse, but passing seems too conservative and likely to cost a lot as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted February 8, 2013 Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 A little bit deja vu for me. Last night... 3D P 4D ? Partner had AK96 KJ94 K9 Q95 and doubled. Great he made a completely normal double. Is this thread real? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerE Posted February 8, 2013 Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 Just because something is "normal" (and in this case I don't really agree), don't mean it's right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted February 8, 2013 Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 Double. While I probably have an effective 14 count here (which I'd double with anyway), we cannot afford to miss a vul game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted February 8, 2013 Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 Very obvious Dbl. If you don't Dbl now, when will you ever? Can't believe this is expert forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
straube Posted February 8, 2013 Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 Great he made a completely normal double. Is this thread real? I agreed with his double, but I was asking myself where the line is. I don't know but I'm asking. Would you draw the line anywhere here? Less? AKxx KJxx xx QxxAKxx KJxx Kx JxxAKxx KJxx Kx xxxAKxx KJxx Qx xxxAKxx KJxx xx xxx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted February 8, 2013 Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 #1 is an auto X to me, after that it is less clear, the line is somewhere in there. I would definitely X 2 also though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vampyr Posted February 8, 2013 Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 What does partner have to support my action? I don't particularly like the way the question was phrased. The question strongly suggests that there is another part to this thread -- ie partner went into the tank before passing or similar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yaohung Posted February 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2013 Very obvious Dbl. If you don't Dbl now, when will you ever? Can't believe this is expert forum. For most of us, X is an easy pick. We all expect pd to bid whatever 4 card major and make a game? There are probably around 15 points shared by West and North. Please analyze several possibility of pd's hand and expect the result according your choice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
straube Posted February 9, 2013 Report Share Posted February 9, 2013 For most of us, X is an easy pick. We all expect pd to bid whatever 4 card major and make a game? There are probably around 15 points shared by West and North. Please analyze several possibility of pd's hand and expect the result according your choice. Yes, hopefully partner will bid a 4+-cd major and make game. Why do you want us to invent hands for partner and then offer a result? That sounds like work and won't prove anything at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TylerE Posted February 9, 2013 Report Share Posted February 9, 2013 I think it does prove that X here isn't near as good or automatic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted February 9, 2013 Report Share Posted February 9, 2013 Interesting that we had this discussion 3 days ago in a house game (teammatch) here. Pd did not double the same auction ( their suit was clubs this time) with AQxx KTxx AJx xx. They played it. I, who passed over 3♣ had xxxxxx Ax QTxx x. And i also failed to balance 4♣ with this. [hv=pc=n&s=saq52hkt73daj6c73&w=sjhj9dk84cajt8642&n=s987643ha4dqt72c9&e=skthq8652d953ckq5]399|300[/hv]NS red EWwhite Pd said he wanted to have a plus score, and that we were red and it was dangerous, and he continued with hcp predictions saying that we were unlikely to make game. Indeed we had a plus score at our table, it was not a mighty plus as other NS had at their table but...i said "***** happens, next board" At other table, East prefered to remain silent over his pd's 3♣. I guess he also wanted to get a plus score, i dunno. Speech = silver/silence = gold phrase didn't work out very well at this board for us :) I think people sometimes ignore the fact that, a pd who passed over a preempt can have some really shapely hands and could not act over a preempt as light as he can over a 1 level opening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted February 10, 2013 Report Share Posted February 10, 2013 Gut reaction, at Red, after (3♦) Pass (4♦) ??, with♠ Axx ♥ AKxx ♦ Kx ♣ Axxx: Double = 10, Pass = 7.♠ AKxx ♥ KJxx ♦ xx ♣ Qxx: Double = 10, Pass = 6.♠ AKxx ♥ KJxx ♦ Kx ♣ Jxx: Double = 10, Pass = 8♠ AKxx ♥ KJxx ♦ Kx ♣ xxx: Pass = 10, Double = 9.♠ AKxx ♥ KJxx ♦ xx ♣ Jxx: Double = 10, Pass = 8♠ AKxx ♥ KJxx ♦ x ♣ Jxxx: Double = 10, Pass = 6♠ AKxx ♥ KJxx ♦ Qx ♣ xxx: Pass = 10, Double = 8♠ AKxx ♥ KJxx ♦ xx ♣ xxx: Pass = 10, Double = 7Assuming that opponents have a ten card fit (or thereabouts), our game prospects are good. At this level, partner will pass your double with flattish hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lesh Posted February 21, 2013 Report Share Posted February 21, 2013 [hv=pc=n&e=sa86hak75dk4ca753&d=s&v=e&b=3&a=3dp4d]133|200[/hv] Takeout X is up to 4Hwhat's the call?? The reason for your call and the expectation for your partner's hand to support your decision. IMP or MP make any differences? I dont have any epectations for my partner's hand. In this type of situation I ask myself 3 questions: - Is it more costly to pass or DBL? - I think pass.- What would most people do in my situation? - I think DBL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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