mike777 Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 J8765...3...AJ8....QT64 (1C)=? No one Vul. Would you overcall with this type of hand? If not what would your minimum overcall look like? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 Is this a trick question? Of course this is worth 1S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 Yes, 1S. And I am not known as an "always must be doing something" bidder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted February 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 Is this a trick question? Of course this is worth 1S. Not a trick question, arises out of Mike Lawrence's new revised book on balancing that I am currently reading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 I would bid NV and pass vul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 Not a trick question, arises out of Mike Lawrence's new revised book on balancing that I am currently reading.Interesting. I wonder how "balancing" will get involved, since this is not a balancing question. Lawrence is not a "wait and do something later" person like Al Roth was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted February 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 Interesting. I wonder how "balancing" will get involved, since this is not a balancing question. Lawrence is not a "wait and do something later" person like Al Roth was. page 181 "This hand is not worth overcalling on" The reason I brought this up was a series of these NV type hands where Mike said not to overcall on, later pard will balance. p.170both nv (1C)=? K87...QJ8....QJ875....97 ------------- There are other examples if you dont like this last one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 page 181 "This hand is not worth overcalling on" The reason I brought this up was a series of these NV type hands where Mike said not to overcall on, later pard will balance. p.170both nv (1C)=? K87...QJ8....QJ875....97 ------------- There are other examples if you dont like this last one.You cannot possibly compare this hand and the original hand. I don't think anyone here would overcall on this. What is the point? The first hand takes away a 1D and 1H response. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted February 7, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 You cannot possibly compare this hand and the original hand. I don't think anyone here would overcall on this. What is the point? The first hand takes away a 1D and 1H response. ok but still I thought I do indeed compare the two but here is another one for you, see how you feel about this one? unfav vul (1c)=? Q8765...KQ3...q8...kj4 or maybe this one is a bit closer to discuss: no one vul:\(1D)=? KQJT7,,,3.....T765....J98 OR NO ONE VUL (1h)==? Q7543...QJ3...AJ...J54 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 1) 1S2) 2S at favourable, else 1S3) 1S Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 IMO, 3) is a lot closer to a pass than the OP hand. I respectfully disagree with Mr. Hog about 2) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
655321 Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 p.170both nv (1C)=? K87...QJ8....QJ875....97 I don't think anyone here would overcall on this. What is the point? I would overcall 1♦ because it gets us into the auction, partner may be able to raise, or bid a new suit, or make a takeout double, lots of good things can happen. Now hog, your level of expertise makes you well qualified to give an opinion on what you personally would bid, I am not so sure that it qualifies you to give an opinion on what anyone else would bid! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 Now hog, your level of expertise makes you well qualified to give an opinion on what you personally would bid, I am not so sure that it qualifies you to give an opinion on what anyone else would bid!Welcome back. And, ouch!! You haven't changed the style which endeared you to the elite and aggrevated others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 Welcome back. And, ouch!! You haven't changed the style which endeared you to the elite and aggrevated others.Hardly "ouch". I ignore posts by the numeric one. When I want his/her sort of response, I flush a toilet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 J8765...3...AJ8....QT64(1C)=?No one Vul.I think this is quite close. I would definitely overcall at Love All but equally definitely pass at Game All. The other coolours os to some extent a matter of style imho. How much do you want your overcalls to direct a lead/be constructive and how much merely to obstruct? both nv(1C)=?K87...QJ8....QJ875....97A wise person once said that to overcall 1♣ with 1♦ you should either have a good hand or a good suit or both. This hand has neither - if we can make something then partner will act. unfav vul(1c)=?Q8765...KQ3...q8...kj4I would overcall on this one. The general strength of the hand makes up for the spade suit. no one vul:\(1D)=?KQJT7,,,3.....T765....J981♠ on this one too, although 2♠ is an option and I would also choose it if partner had passed in front of the Opener. NO ONE VUL(1h)==?Q7543...QJ3...AJ...J54Yuck, balanced hand, a bad suit, no preemptive value, soft values, QJx in their suit. Everything screams Pass on this hand. Perhaps at MP we should stick our nose in now to give partner the chance to compete to 2♠...perhaps. It is surely anti-percentage to bid at IMPs or any other vulnerability though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fromageGB Posted February 7, 2013 Report Share Posted February 7, 2013 To me, overcalling 1♠ on J8765 3 AJ8 QT54 is a step too far, as partner will expect a stronger hand, so may bid too high, and will happily underlead a K in defence. Make the J into a Q and then yes. Without the Q, it gains slightly from the obstruction point of view, but loses too much. The hand would make me consider overcalling 2♠ more than 1♠. It is a question of partner's expectation and style, I suppose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted February 8, 2013 Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 Qtxx behind opener's suit is like a magnet to me. Factor in Alzheimers, and I can not recall a bad result from aggressive action in this situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackshoe Posted February 8, 2013 Report Share Posted February 8, 2013 LOL! Good one, Agua! :lol: :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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