hrothgar Posted December 19, 2004 Report Share Posted December 19, 2004 White on Red (we're White, they're Red)IMPs Partner passes and RHO opens 1♥ You hold ♠ AKQT9853♥ 64♦ Void♣ A64 Choose your poison... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted December 19, 2004 Report Share Posted December 19, 2004 Dbl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted December 19, 2004 Report Share Posted December 19, 2004 white on red emans we are vulnerable? if so it is we are way too strong for 4♠, I would bid 1♠, double may be passed out and anyway we dont have defensive values for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted December 20, 2004 Report Share Posted December 20, 2004 1♥ 4♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Posted December 20, 2004 Report Share Posted December 20, 2004 I bid 4S.If we are nv vs vul , you might consider double and look for a slam. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke warm Posted December 20, 2004 Report Share Posted December 20, 2004 1♠ but i do like double then spades Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cnszsun Posted December 20, 2004 Report Share Posted December 20, 2004 I wish it's time to make a pressure bid, so i bid 4S to make everybody's life difficult including myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted December 20, 2004 Report Share Posted December 20, 2004 4S. Double is totally off with the faeries and deserves high level D bids from partner - not even worth discussing. This is interesting opposite a non passed hand. I would try 3H - Californian cue, and pull partner's 3NT to 4S to show this sort of hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearmum Posted December 20, 2004 Report Share Posted December 20, 2004 4♠ - P has passed so give OPPS the choice at 5 level :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted December 20, 2004 Report Share Posted December 20, 2004 Definitely 4S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sceptic Posted December 21, 2004 Report Share Posted December 21, 2004 odd dist you x and your partner passes with 6 low hearts for penalty, no thanks, I would bid 4 spades direct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted December 21, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 21, 2004 For what its worth, here's what happened at the table: I'm firmly in the pressure bidder's camp. I also decided that I'd be completely miserable if I bid 4♠ and heard RHO compete in Diamonds. So, being the obstinate sort that I am, I decided to get the hand off my chest and overcalled 5♠. I was curious whether anyone else would feel the same way...This drew a double from LHO, which RHO passed after a very long tank.Oh well... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted December 21, 2004 Report Share Posted December 21, 2004 No 5S is too unilateral for me, Richard. I think it is neither a "fish nor fowl bid". Mind you anything is better than a double. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted December 21, 2004 Report Share Posted December 21, 2004 It's not a bad thing if it goes 1D 4S 5D pass Your opponents had to guess to bid 5D, and that might have been the wrong guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted December 21, 2004 Report Share Posted December 21, 2004 I have a LOT of sympathy for 5♠ myself. If you assume that opponents have hearts (reasonable); and have values / shape to bid and make at 5 level (perhaps); then 5♠ is fine. If you had one less spade (and tried 4♠) with the same hand then I'd crack 5♥ to show a good preempt and an outside trick. I'm this close to converting to NAMYATS overcalls for this type of headache. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted December 22, 2004 Report Share Posted December 22, 2004 yeah namyats overcall is great...overcall 4D and let lefty get a 4H bid in...nice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikestar Posted December 22, 2004 Report Share Posted December 22, 2004 Let's look at this from a LOTT perspective. Your side figures to have 10 spades, they figure to have 9 diamonds. This is 19 total tricks, but you have a void, no soft values and a long suit--plus they might have a double fit in the red suits. A trick total of 21 is not unlikely. 21 total tricks is enough to bid 5 over 5 (at least one 5 level contract will make). The question then is, are they going to bid it, especially if their fit is in diamonds. I bid 4S and double their 5 level bid to show extras if this is our agreement: partner will leave in with some defense and bid 5S without defense. However, many player will bid 4S with long spades and substantial high cards as a trap in this position, giving up on slam but hoping to double the enemy--if partner expects this type of hand and treats the double as pure penalty, he will leave it in without defense. So without the above agreement I bid 5S over 5 of a red suit. I have much sympathy for 5S: it is indicated by the advice given in Kit Woolsey's Matchpoints: bid to the level where you don't know what their correct bid is--odds are they won't know, either. But I think there is too much chance we can buy it for 4S--they can't be certain that I have an eight card suit and a void, and their estimate of the trick total will be lower than mine. On a lucky day they might even double 4S (their fit is 5-4 in diamonds) then the result ranges from -1 against a laydown game to making overtricks. So this may be a hand where they don't know their correct action even though I do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Posted December 22, 2004 Report Share Posted December 22, 2004 Imo too much diffenence for 5S, i will feel ok to double 5D showing what i have, a long spade and a good hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted December 22, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 22, 2004 Imo too much diffenence for 5S, i will feel ok to double 5D showing what i have, a long spade and a good hand.For anyone who cares, here are the complete hands[hv=n=sakqt9853h64dca64&w=s4hakq985dqjt74c2&e=sj72hjt7da865cj75&s=s6h32dk932ckqt983]399|300|[/hv] 5SX actually worked pretty well after a trump lead... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flame Posted December 22, 2004 Report Share Posted December 22, 2004 5SX actually worked pretty well after a trump lead... Nice And i have the feeling it would work for you on the next time too.(but not for me) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chamaco Posted December 22, 2004 Report Share Posted December 22, 2004 I'm this close to converting to NAMYATS overcalls for this type of headache. I like namyats overcalls myself (3NT broken minor, 4m namyats, 4M bad preempt). I just wonder whether resolving by agreement the ambuguity between ggod/bad 4M will help more pard or opps... :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beatrix45 Posted December 30, 2004 Report Share Posted December 30, 2004 :rolleyes: I don't see any alternative but dbl unless I were playing some exotic form of Namyats on defense. Worrying about a penalty pass in this vulnerability is just playing scared bridge. On the actual hand we would bid accurately to 4 or 5S, probably going 1H-dbl-2H-3C-4H-4 or 5S- all pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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