Rescue partner?

[Antrax]

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Favourable in first seat, you decide to open a weak 2♦. Both members of the partnership read the texts about how preempts are wider-ranging when favourable and in 1st/3rd seats. That being said, you don't often preempt this lightly. Do you pass?

[Stephen Tu]

Partner with AKx of diamonds and stoppers is going to shoot you if you pull. Same with 6-7 running clubs and stoppers. Pulling is super anti-partnership. You can discuss whether this is a reasonable fav vul preempt afterwards. Partner didn't bid 2nt so he doesn't care how bad a preempt you have, he shouldn't be counting on you having a side K in addition to this.

[Mbodell]

For that matter, for all you know partner has AKQ-sixth of clubs, AQ of hearts, and AQ of spades. Don't pull. It is pretty much never appropriate to pull this bid. Even if 2♦ were a psych, I don't think you should pull.

[mr1303]

If you pull, expect partner to put an advert on e-bridgepartners.com before next week's game.

[Fluffy]

I would pull if I had 7 diamonds at MPs, but with this crap I don't even think 4♦ will score better than 3NT undoubled.

[Antrax]

Cool, thanks. Partner misplayed this to go down in NT, later I got to thinking maybe he shouldn't have been in it. His hand was what you expect, double heart stopper, ♦Kxx and some stuff outside.

[rmnka447]

I agree you've got to sit for 3 NT.

 

If partner gets upset about how aggressively you've preempted, you'll just have to be a little thick skinned about it. And, of course, you can always plead that you thought it was tactically right.

 

But that will pale in comparison to what might happen if you pull 3 NT and go down when 3 NT makes.

[kenberg]

I'm chiming in late here, but no, I am not pulling. Among other things, partner may have a long club suit he is planning on using, he may be using my diamonds only to stop the opponents from running that suit. However much I may regret having opened 2♦, I am not running, and if lho now doulbes and this is followed by two passes, I am still not running.

[gwnn]

I would probably run if an opp doubles confidently.

[the_clown]

I would probably run if an opp doubles confidently.

 

I would rather redouble to show that I have subminimum hand. I think playing redouble as showing doubt is way better than playing business redouble in this situation.

[Fluffy]

I would rather redouble to show that I have subminimum hand. I think playing redouble as showing doubt is way better than playing business redouble in this situation.

 

Maybe, but I would have no doubt at all

[MrAce]

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Favourable in first seat, you decide to open a weak 2♦. Both members of the partnership read the texts about how preempts are wider-ranging when favourable and in 1st/3rd seats. That being said, you don't often preempt this lightly. Do you pass?

 

 

By bidding here, without being doubled, you would be rescuing your opponents, not the pd.

 

It is very likely that they are being robbed. You should not worry about getting plus score here. And as said above, 4♦ doesn't look any better than 3NT.

 

And i have seen miracles happen, when opponents make the inferior lead, who knows :)

[ggwhiz]

The answer is no as to the thread title and without looking at the hand.

[lycier]

How many hcp do you open weak two?

Usually its stated range is 5-11hcp or 6-10hcp in the commen sense.

As to your hand,this weak two bid would be considered a psychic bid by ACBL if not including 3hcp since it misstated the agreed high-card strength ! if including 3hcp,I'd pass.

[mikestar13]

#1 rule of preempting I learned in the 70's: bid as high as you dare the first time,then if partner doesn't invite or force you to make a bid--PASS.

(The most emphasis i could figure out how to add :rolleyes:)

[lycier]

Even if including 3hcp,as we know that the wideness of opener's ranges often led to unsuccessful guesswork by responder,so your problem occured.

[billw55]

I agree you've got to sit for 3 NT.

 

If partner gets upset about how aggressively you've preempted, you'll just have to be a little thick skinned about it. And, of course, you can always plead that you thought it was tactically right. stop it.

Fixed.

[Zelandakh]

How many hcp do you open weak two?

Usually its stated range is 5-11hcp or 6-10hcp in the commen sense.

As to your hand,this weak two bid would be considered a psychic bid by ACBL if not including 3hcp since it misstated the agreed high-card strength ! if including 3hcp,I'd pass.

Everyone knows that preempts are all about the hcp strength. Perhaps your ranges are a little 1950s though - can you give us an 11 hcp hand that would choose to open a weak 2 in first seat at favourable? If you are going for a 7 point range then 3-9 seems much more reasonable. Given that the OP speicifcally states that they do not often open quite as light as that though, it would be reasonable to assume that the agreed lower range is more like 4 or 5 in a typical hand.

 

Note also that wider ranges do require more guesswork, not only for partner but also for the opponents when they hold the missing values. Since this was a first seat preempt the odds are quite good that the opps will have more guesswork ahead of them than we do. Not always, as here, but you hope to come out ahead overall.

 

Making a bid with slightly less (or more) hcp (sometimes also with a card less than advertised) is typicaly considered a deviation, if I understand the terminology, rather than a psyche. Not that the OP even mentions the ACBL at all so I am not sure how their regulations became involved.

 

In any case, the question has been answered - best to pass now.

[ArtK78]

I would probably run if an opp doubles confidently.

I have to admit, if one of my opponents stood up and yelled "DOUBLE!" and then called his broker asking for advice on what to invest with all of his newly found wealth, I might give some thought to pulling.

 

Otherwise, no.

[lycier]

Max Hardy said the range of weak two bids is 5-11hcp in his book < Advanced Bridge Bidding for the 21st centruy> (2002 version).

[PhilKing]

Max Hardy said the range of weak two bids is 5-11hcp in his book < Advanced Bridge Bidding for the 21st centruy> (2002 version).

 

If a bridge author said it, it must be true. B-)

[gwnn]

I have to admit, if one of my opponents stood up and yelled "DOUBLE!" and then called his broker asking for advice on what to invest with all of his newly found wealth, I might give some thought to pulling.

 

Otherwise, no.

Too bad. At some point bridge results are more important than empty phrases about 'partnership discipline' but YMMV. I pass 3NT for the same reason.

[neilkaz]

The title of this thread seems reasonable since if you pull this, partner should be looking for someone to rescue him from playing with you again.

[WellSpyder]

The answer is no as to the thread title and without looking at the hand.

I must admit that was my thought on seeing the thread title, too! (I didn't change my mind when I saw the hand......)

[han]

Once when I was a little boy I opened 3D on jack-seventh. My partner bid 3NT and I let him rot there. My partner told me that he didn't mind my preempt but I had to pull 3NT to 4D if I did.

 

This was at MPs and the OP didn't specify the form of scoring. I would be much more reluctant to pull at IMPs, unless doubled.

 

I would never pull with this hand btw. Even if partner has as little as Kxx we have a decent chance of running the suit.