straube Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 You are South and second seat. NV vs NV. Imps. Uncontested auction. .........................Q9.........................QT42.........................J7.........................QT98682.............................................T543KJ3...........................................A765T6432........................................985532............................................AJ.........................AKJ76.........................98.........................AKQ.........................K74 Outcomes 3N S SCREAM3N N Polish Club3N S Silent Club3N S Jasmine Club3N S jack5023N S New Big Club (HK)3N S Precision by Free3N S IMprecision4S S Unassuming Club3N N Malfoir3N S Zelandakh3N S OCP 3N S Meckwell Light3N S PASS2000 (pass opening)3N S relknes (2N opening) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
straube Posted February 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 .........................Q9.........................QT42.........................J7.........................QT98682.............................................T543KJ3...........................................A765T6432........................................985532............................................AJ.........................AKJ76.........................98.........................AKQ.........................K74 SCREAM bids this... 1C-1H 16+, 2-4 QPs2H-2S 5+ spades, acceptance2N-3N 19-20, accepts game Pretty ugly auction for us but I like where we end up. I think South is just shy of an artificial relay ask...though that 1S bid is a lot more practical. I've been rather disappointed with SCREAM during these trials. We've pretty much adopted IMprecision, but I'll continue to represent SCREAM here. This has been a useful exercise for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike777 Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 perhaps your post is a point in favor that the play is much much more important for most of us on bbo. But bidding is more fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antonylee Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 Polish:1♣-1♥ (7+, the hand is quite minimum but I think the club suit and the fact that the major is hearts makes it cross the limit of 1♦ - if it was spades I could bid 1♠ after 1♣-1♦-1♥, but here...)1♠-1N (WNT w/ 4♠ or 15-17 4♠5♣ or 18+5+♠ (usually exactly 5 then), F1; to play opposite a WNT)3N Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
relknes Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 You are South and second seat. NV vs NV. Imps. Uncontested auction. .........................Q9.........................QT42.........................J7.........................QT98682.............................................T543KJ3...........................................A765T6432........................................985532............................................AJ.........................AKJ76.........................98.........................AKQ.........................K742N - 3♣3♠ - 3NP Translation:S: 20-21 balanced, N: StaymanS: 4+ spades, N: pass or correctS: lets play 3N Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbforster Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 Silent Club: 1♣-1♦ strong; most 0-7, some GFs1N-2♣ 19-21 bal; stayman2♠-3N Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 #25. You are South and second seat. NV vs NV. Imps. Uncontested auction. Jasmine ♣:North ♠ Q9 ♥ QT42 ♦ J7 ♣ QT986: __ 1♦ 1♠ 2♣ 3NSouth ♠ AKJ76 ♥ 98 ♦ AKQ ♣ K74: 1♣ 1♥ 1N 2♠1♣ = Art, 16+.1♦ = Art, neg, 0-7.1♥ = Art, 18+1♠ = Art. 0-7 Flat or 5-7 shapely.1N = Nat 18-20 flat2♣ = Stayman2♠ = Nat3N = Nat.Marks, iMO 3N = 10. 4♠ = 6, Partscores = 4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack502 Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 1♣1♥1♠2♣2♦2♥3nt 1♥semi positive bal 4441 or unbal no 5 card major2♥4 hearts and 5+ clubs rest relays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hilver Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 Hilversumse Klaveren (HK) 2NT - 3♣3♠ - 3NT Explanation:2NT = 19-20, balanced3♣ = Puppet Stayman3♠ = 5-card ♠3NT = let's play 3NT Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 Very similar auction, doesn't matter if we open 1♣ (upgrade to 21-22) or 2NT (19-20):(1♣-1♦) (16+ ; 0-7 any or GF 4441)2NT-3♣ (19-20 (21-22) ; Muppet Stayman)3♠-3NT (5♠ ; signoff) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 IMprecision: 1♣ - 2♦ (strong, 5+♣ and 4+♥ with 5+ hcp and 2-6RP)2♥ - 3♣ (GF relay, 2425)3NT (hard to construct a hand where slam is really good opposite only 6RP and this shape) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 Polish:1♣-1♥ (7+, the hand is quite minimum but I think the club suit and the fact that the major is hearts makes it cross the limit of 1♦ - if it was spades I could bid 1♠ after 1♣-1♦-1♥, but here...)1♠-1N (WNT w/ 4♠ or 15-17 4♠5♣ or 18+5+♠ (usually exactly 5 then), F1; to play opposite a WNT)3N Something I've always wondered about Polish Club: how would this auction be different if North had three spades? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antonylee Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 Something I've always wondered about Polish Club: how would this auction be different if North had three spades?In my basic approach, responder is allowed to correct to 4♠ (opener showed 18+ and 5♠).If opener is unbalanced strong he can start with 2♠ over 1N (also strong, though could still be only 5crd but then with doubt about 3N) - note that 2♣ would be canape (5♣4♠ 15-18ish) and at least for me 2♦ would be canape too (catering for the 18-22ish hands because a direct 2♦ is already occupied by strong 3+♥ hands).Indeed another reasonable auction could be1♣-1♥1♠-1N2♠-3♣3Nbut over 1N it is already too late to right-side the contract (to protect the ♣K) so I'm not sure showing doubt about 3N is the best approach here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siegmund Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 The versions of Polish I've played, the 1S rebid would be rather strange. (But I realize WJ05 is quite different than several of the older published versions, and I didn't always play it exactly as published. Having 1S be F1 and including some hands up to 20 in it is probably an improvement.) This is a bad hand for Unassuming Club, where responder does a lot of describing but opener doesn't:1C-1H 2C-3C (any 19+ / 6-9 or 13+ with 4H 5+C)3S-? (opener's first natural bid)Now responder is in kind of a bind, not wanting to bid 3NT without a stopper and perhaps wrongside it too, and not eager to raise spades with only Qx. But I think if I were North I would bid 4S here. In Malfoir, North is not starting with a positive (positives normally require 8, and 4-card heart suits are occasionally suppressed even with 8 or 9): 1C-1D 2S-2NT (natural 19-22ish / 5-7, transfer to clubs)3C-3H (confirming 3 clubs / natural, possibly just a stopper since 5S4H opener would probably bid hearts rather than accepting the club transfer)3NT (to play) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antonylee Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 The versions of Polish I've played, the 1S rebid would be rather strange.What would it show? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siegmund Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 I meant that I found it strange that 1C-1H-1S was forcing. A quick check confirms that this sequence is forcing in e.g. Matula; but it seems that when Americans learn Polish Club we learn many sequences including this one as "a hand that would make that same bid in SA," and go our whole lives playing it as 11-18, NF. So, in this instance, I admit I am the strange one not you :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 I think this South hand is a clear upgrade to 21 and I cannot see any way of not finishing in 3NT(S). If South holds AKJxx/AKJ/Qx/Kxx then the auction is the same but 4♠ is better. This construction does not tempt me to avoid 3NT though. At least we will not be alone in 3NT on those hands. 1♣ = 15+ nat/bal or 18+ any... - 1♦ = most non-GF2NT = 21-22 bal... - 3♣ = Puppet Stayman3♠ = 5 spades... - 3NT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antonylee Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 I meant that I found it strange that 1C-1H-1S was forcing. A quick check confirms that this sequence is forcing in e.g. Matula; but it seems that when Americans learn Polish Club we learn many sequences including this one as "a hand that would make that same bid in SA," and go our whole lives playing it as 11-18, NF. So, in this instance, I admit I am the strange one not you :)But there is a big difference with standard here, which is that responder does not need to strain to respond 1♥. So if he has a 7+ hand it seems like 1N (if not 4♠) or a raise to 2♠ (at least) are always available and useful (of course sometimes you'd like to play in a moysian at the 1-level, sometimes you can guess they won't balance despite you finding an 8-card fit at the 1-level, but you see what I mean). So it seems like playing 1♠ as NF is really catering for a small range of hands for responder. Actually I think some versions of PC have 1♠ as always strong (as in 15+), with weak hands rebidding 1N (as in standard). Of course there is still the argument of hiding the strong hand, but once the minimum 4♠5♣ hands are removed (as compared to standard) it seems like at least the issue of sorting out opener's strength (what I dislike when playing standard and rebidding 1♠ on any hand with 4♠) is less important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kungsgeten Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 You are South and second seat. NV vs NV. Imps. Uncontested auction. .........................Q9.........................QT42.........................J7.........................QT98682.............................................T543KJ3...........................................A765T6432........................................985532............................................AJ.........................AKJ76.........................98.........................AKQ.........................K74 P* - 1C*; (S: 0-7 / 17+, N: 0-7 / 17+)1NT - 3C*; (S: 18-20 bal, N: Asking five card major)3S - 3NT; (S: 5 spades, N: To play 3NT, likely 3-4 hearts) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 2N 3C3S 3N Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FM75 Posted February 4, 2013 Report Share Posted February 4, 2013 OCP1♣ - 1♦1♥ - 1♠ forcing, hearts or 19+ balanced, relay1N - 2♣ Stayman2♠ - 3N Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Molyb Posted February 27, 2013 Report Share Posted February 27, 2013 Molybdenum Forcing Pass System: S ---- NP --- 1♣ (opening, 0-bad 12)1♠ --- 1NT (19-21, GF)2♠ ---3♣ (natural)3♦ --- 3♥ (natural, although 3♦ should show 4...)3NT --- P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mbodell Posted February 27, 2013 Report Share Posted February 27, 2013 A fair number of bids to get to the final 3NT S for our tosr bidding 1♣-1♦ ; 16+ any; usu 0-7 but more with <2 ctls1♥-1♠ ; kokish, ♥ or very strong balanced; artifical forced1nt-2nt ; 19-21 balanced; -> 3♣, at least 4 clubs, at least, and either gf or just ♣ signoff3♣-3♥ ; forced; shows game forcing hand with 5+♣ and 4♥ and very often exactly 2=4=2=5 shape as there are other things to do with stiffs3nt ; to play Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrecisionL Posted February 28, 2013 Report Share Posted February 28, 2013 Upgraded Ultra Club Relay (C3) p 1♣ p 1♦p 1♠ p 2♣ = Artificial 5-7 and 0-2♠p 3NT ALL P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CamHenry Posted March 1, 2013 Report Share Posted March 1, 2013 Unnamed Homebrew Diamond:2♣-2♦ Weak ♦ OR weak majors OR GF majors OR 20-23 bal / Pass-or-correct2N-3♣ Balanced option / 5-card Puppet Stayman3♠-3N This one's a bread-and-butter auction, and a pretty sane contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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