Deal #24

[straube]

You are South and dealer. V vs V. Imps. Your hand...

 

6 KQ6 KQ73 AQJ75

 

Full deal is now available in the first reply.

 

Imprecision spoiler...

 

 

Your partner will respond 1H and your RHO will overcall 2H. Please decide what you would like to do over 2H.

 

 

Moscito spoiler

 

 

Your partner will make a bid that shows 5+ spades and 4+ minor. I don't know whether your semipositives announce which minor, but if he is allowed, your RHO will overcall 2H. Please decide what you would like to do over 2H.

 

 

0-7 spoiler

 

 

Your partner will respond 1D and RHO will overcall 1H. Please decide what you will like to do over 1H.

 

 

Second round spoilers...

 

IMprecision spoiler...

 

 

 

Your LHO will likely raise to 3H. If your partner can make a takeout double here he's likely to do so.

 

 

Moscito spoiler...

 

 

 

Your LHO will likely raise to 3H. Try to decide in advance what you'll do if partner passes, rebids spades (showing a 6/4 I presume) or raises diamonds to 4.

 

 

0-7 spoiler...

 

 

I think most of you are bidding 2C here. Next hand bids 3C as a cue for hearts. Most likely this gets corrected to 3H and then P P to partner who doubles and what do you do now?

 

1C P 1D (1H) 2C (3C) P (3H) P P dbl P ?

 

 

 

[straube]

You are South and dealer. V vs V. Imps. West passes. If North bids 1D, East overcalls 1H and West cue bids or raises to 3H. If North bids 1H or higher, East bids 2H and West takes it to 4H. I appreciate that there are differences in opinion here about what the interference might be and the conditions might not be fair to all systems. This is not intentional and I welcome input for how to improve the process for future deals. Please discuss how you think your auction would unfold. I would guess that many of the 0-7s would wind up in the same contract, but there might be differences based on competitive agreements, the strength of the club bid, etc.

 

.............T9874

.............void

.............AJ652

.............T84

KQ52.......................AJ3

J985........................AT7432

T..............................984

K632........................9

.............6

.............KQ6

.............KQ73

.............AQJ75

 

Outcomes

 

3N S jack502

4HX E Jasmine club

4HX E OCP

4HX E RobF

4HX E relknes

4HX E New Big Club

4HX E IMprecision

4HX E Precision by Free

4HX E Meckwell Light

 

5D S Zelandakh (1D opening)

4HX E dbl Pass2000 (artificial pass opening)

[rbforster]

I'm passing, 2♣ is possible but my values in their suit isn't encouraging.

[hrothgar]

I'm passing, 2♣ is possible but my values in their suit isn't encouraging.

 

I'm raising partner's minor to three

[relknes]

6 KQ6 KQ73 AQJ75

 

 

 

 

1♣ - (P) - 1♦ - (1♥)

2♣

 

Translation:

S: 16+, N: 0-8, E: overcall

S: 16-19, 5+ clubs unbalanced

 

Plan:

I plan to riase if partner bids diamonds

I plan to rebid 2NT if partner cuebids 2♥ (which would be asking for a stopper), or if partner bids 2♠ (which would be natural)

If partner bids 2NT, showing a heart stopper and 7-8 points (unlikely given my heart holding), I will reluctantly bid 3♦, showing 4+ and concern about spades, and let partner pick between 3N, 4♣, and 4♦

If partner raises clubs, I will bid spades, asking for a stopper (yes, after minor suit agreement, a new suit asks for a stopper rather than showing one)

If partner splinters in a red suit (3♦ or 3♥, showing a singleton and 6-8 points with good club support), I will bid 3N.

If partner splinters in spades, I will wonder why the opponents havn't been preempting or at least competing in spades.

 

 

[Siegmund]

Playing Unassuming Club I probably opened an 11-18 1D (4-5 either way in the minors allowed, 1D-1M-2NT promises 4D5C while 1D-1M-3C is 5D4C or 55) despite the 4 losers because this shape is so awkward to show in a strong sequence.

 

Playing Malfoir, I opened 1C, and rebid 2C if it goes p-1d-1h back to me, 16-20ish, usually 6 clubs.

[antonylee]

I'm opening 1♦ (11-bad 18), intending to rebid 1N over 1M (showing (54)ms over 1♠ and 4♦5♣ over 1♥). Partner may freely raise 1♦ to 2 (6-9), even on 3 cards for tactical reasons. If he passes, I'll bid a naturalish 1N (good 15-bad 18) over 1♥ (yuck). Partner should infer I have spade shortness (as I didn't double) and thus decent club tolerance (at least...).

 

Edit after seeing full hand:

I would expect partner to stretch a tiny bit and respond 1♠ (after all game has play opposite the right 10-count, so...) thus the auction will start 1♦-1♠. Now it depends on RHO. If he passes, I expect 1♦-1♠; 1N(4♦5♣)-2♦; 2N(seminatural)-3♦ (give up after opener shows heart values). If he gets in with 2♥ I will pass, intending to penalize. I expect something like

1♦ (P) 1♠ (2♥)

P (3♣) 3♦ (3♥)

???

Hopefully I will realize that the diamond fit makes doubling (penalty, as 3♠ can serve as a general game try) less attractive... but I can't be sure I won't be writing down -730 after passing my partner's double should he produce one in balancing seat. So any of 3♥, 3♥X and 4♦ look possible to me.

[Free]

1♣-1♦-(1♥) (16+ ; 0-7 any or GF 4441)

2♣-... (5+♣ NF ; awaiting further instructions :) )

[Mbodell]

1♣-1♦-(1♥) (16+ ; 0-7 any or GF 4441)

2♣-... (5+♣ NF ; awaiting further instructions :) )

 

ditto except the 1♣ promised 18 if balanced and the 1♦ can have more than 8 if <2 controls, but doesn't include GF4441 hands. Also, had I wanted to, my pass would have been forcing. But I still think I bid my fairly good 5 card suit.

[Zelandakh]

I open 1♦. Can you give me a separate spoiler for this please straube. If partner is weak then they will either pass or (usually) bid their cheapest 4+ card suit, with 1NT showing hearts (so spades is cheapest). WJSs are also in effect, up to a max of around 7. If partner is strong (INV+) then they respond 1♥. I think that should be sufficient info for a useful spoiler.

[Hilver]

You are South and dealer. V vs V. Imps. Your hand...

 

6 KQ6 KQ73 AQJ75

 

0-7 spoiler

 

 

Your partner will respond 1D and RHO will overcall 1H. Please decide what you will like to do over 1H.

 

 

Hilversumse Klaveren (HK)

 

Now HK will bid 2♣ = 5+ card♣

 

Jan

[Kungsgeten]

I hold:

 

6 KQ6 KQ73 AQJ75

 

Pass 2000

 

P* - (P) - 1C* - (1H); (P = 0-7 / 17+, 1C = 0-7 / 17+)

2C - ?

 

2C is natural and 17+, but NF (so I guess about 17-21 perhaps). Dbl would be take-out. A jump would be GF with a very good suit.

 

Part 2

 

P* - (P) - 1C* - (1H);

2C - (3C*) - P - (3H);

P - (P) - Dbl - (P);

Pass

 

To me partner's double seems to be for penalties, but I'm a bit unsure due my holdings in hearts.. Could also be diamonds and spades, but I believe partner should hold some defensive values in order to double.

[jack502]

1♣2♣(2♥)

3nt

 

 

2♣= semipositive hearts or 5 spades + minor.

3nt better than min to play.

[nige1]

You are South and dealer. V vs V. Imps. Your hand...♠ 6 ♥ KQ6 ♦ KQ73 ♣ AQJ75

Please read (only) whichever spoiler pertains to you and plan how you will continue. I'll reserve the next post for more of the problem. I'd like any participants to post what they'd like South to do and I'd like everyone not to look at each other's posts. I'll be looking and I need this information for the second part of the problem. I'll let you know when it's safe to look at other posts and edit your auctions.

0-7 spoiler

Your partner will respond 1D and RHO will overcall 1H. Please decide what you will like to do over 1H.

Jasmine ♣. Pass (possible but less likely is 2♣). I partner protects with:1♠, bid 1N; 1N, pass; 2m, raise.

[hrothgar]

1♣2♣(2♥)

3nt

 

2♣= semipositive hearts or 5 spades + minor.

3nt better than min to play.

 

 

The semi positive scheme that Jack is using is different than the one that I am used to.

 

In the MOSCITO auction, opener will know that responder has a semi positive with 5+ Spades and a (known) 4+ card minor.

 

I was really torn whether to bid 3N or raise to 3m.

I eventually settled on 3m because there seemed to be too many ways to lose 5 tricks before we could cash 9.

However, I wouldn't be surprised if a simulation proved otherwise...

[nige1]

0-7 spoiler

I think most of you are bidding 2C here. Next hand bids 3C as a cue for hearts. Most likely this gets corrected to 3H and then P P to partner who doubles and what do you do now? 1C P 1D (1H) 2C (3C) P (3H) P P dbl P ?

Jasmine ♣ would probably pass RHO's 1♥. In the given auction, when Partner doubles 3♥, I would guess to Pass, marking pass = 10, 4♦ = 8, 3N = 6.

[FM75]

OCP

 

 

1♣ - 1♦ (1H)

2♣

 

 

 

After the follow-on auction listed...

*****

First, I go in the tank.

Partner should have doubled (3C) with 5-7. Take-out to 3 spades seems non-sensical, 3D and 4C were bids available to partner.

I am not excited about defending a doubled into game heart contract.

4D - hoping for something like xxxxx x Axxxx xx

Swapping the two pointed suits would be ok, too.

Edited January 31, 2013 by FM75

[rbforster]

0-7 spoiler...

 

 

I think most of you are bidding 2C here. Next hand bids 3C as a cue for hearts. Most likely this gets corrected to 3H and then P P to partner who doubles and what do you do now?

 

1C P 1D (1H) 2C (3C) P (3H) P P dbl P ?

 

 

Do you want to suggest the competitions auction after my pass instead of the more common 2♣ call?

[straube]

Do you want to suggest the competitions auction after my pass instead of the more common 2♣ call?

 

We can go two ways here. Ideally you would rebid 2C because we're trying to compare systems and not personal judgment. If you think you have a systemic reason for passing or if you'd prefer to bid your hand differently regardless, then I'd suggest that your LHO bid 2N as a limit raise for hearts...there being no cue bid available.

[rbforster]

We can go two ways here. Ideally you would rebid 2C because we're trying to compare systems and not personal judgment. If you think you have a systemic reason for passing or if you'd prefer to bid your hand differently regardless, then I'd suggest that your LHO bid 2N as a limit raise for hearts...there being no cue bid available.

I guess I don't have a real competitive "system" here and there's a lot of judgment in making natural calls. I sort of view this as making a 2 level overcall - I want a good call (good suit, takeout shape, or extras balanced), or I can leave the decision to partner. Either way, I assume we'll end up at the same place since I'm not confident of beating 3♥X at imps that I'm sitting. So it's either

 

1♣-P-1♦-1♥

p-2N-p-3♥

p-P-X-p

4♣-P-4♦-ap

 

or the same thing without the ELC and I take it out to 4♦ directly.

[rbforster]

So having looked at partners hand, I think he needs to act directly over whatever heart raise West makes. He's got a semi positive hand to begin with, and having seen hearts bid and strongly raised, he's got to bid now with the void so he doesn't look like he's balancing with nothing. In the common auction

 

1♣-p-1♦-1♥

2♣-3♣-?

 

I think North has a clear responsive double for the unbid suits.

[straube]

So having looked at partners hand, I think he needs to act directly over whatever heart raise West makes. He's got a semi positive hand to begin with, and having seen hearts bid and strongly raised, he's got to bid now with the void so he doesn't look like he's balancing with nothing. In the common auction

 

1♣-p-1♦-1♥

2♣-3♣-?

 

I think North has a clear responsive double for the unbid suits.

 

I like that. I might have suggested it, but it wasn't clear to me that double wouldn't suggest a club raise. I think responsive is right. Can the other 0-7 folks go along with that? I see this problem as a sharp division between the 0-7 and Moscito with SCREAM and IMprecision falling somewhere in the middle. Richard is going to know about responder's five+ spades and 4+ diamonds immediately...Adam is going to know about responder's 4+ spades...and SCREAM is going to only know responder has values. I think SCREAM might bid the same (through the responsive double and the only shade of meaning might be to suggest extra distribution...values having been shown already.

[relknes]

For partner to make the takeout double there, he should have 5-1-5-2 shape with 5-8 HCP or 5-2-5-1 shape with 7-8 HCP. They have to be at least 5-5 in the unbid suits, they can't have 3 hearts, or the opponents are just crazy, and they can't have a heart void or they would have doubled 3♣ (which for us means a hand that would have competed to 3♣ over an opponent's 2♥ bid).

If partner has 5-1-5-2 shape, then I should only be able to make 5♦ if partner has the two of the ♣K and the other 3 aces, which is a real long shot, and 4♦ is probably the limit. If partner has 5-2-5-1 shape, I should make 5♦ most of the time if partner has one of the missing aces, and 5♦ is a good bet. All in all, I figure 5♦ is about 40-45% to make.

How about 3N? Even if partner has the ♦A, I count 5 diamond tricks, a heart trick, a club trick, and whatever partner can produce in spades. After the obvious heart lead I don't think I will have the oportunity to establish 2 more tricks in clubs before the opponents can cash their hearts. If partner dosn't have the ♦A, things are even more dismal. All in all, I figure 3N is about 25-30% to make.

All things considered, I sign off at 4♦.

 

Edit: After looking at the hands, I see that North should have doubled the 3♣ cuebid. 3 card support, an outside ace, and a void in the opponent's suit should be plenty for partner to compete to 3♣. So our auction should go:

 

1♣ - P - 1♦ - (1♥)

2♣ - (3♣) - X - (3♥)

 

And now I think that 5♣ looks good. Partner should be able to cover 2 losers easily.

[straube]

For partner to make the takeout double there, he should have 5-1-5-2 shape with 5-8 HCP or 5-2-5-1 shape with 7-8 HCP. They have to be at least 5-5 in the unbid suits, they can't have 3 hearts, or the opponents are just crazy, and they can't have a heart void or they would have doubled 3♣ (which for us means a hand that would have competed to 3♣ over an opponent's 2♥ bid).

If partner has 5-1-5-2 shape, then I should only be able to make 5♦ if partner has the two of the ♣K and the other 3 aces, which is a real long shot, and 4♦ is probably the limit. If partner has 5-2-5-1 shape, I should make 5♦ most of the time if partner has one of the missing aces, and 5♦ is a good bet. All in all, I figure 5♦ is about 40-45% to make.

How about 3N? Even if partner has the ♦A, I count 5 diamond tricks, a heart trick, a club trick, and whatever partner can produce in spades. After the obvious heart lead I don't think I will have the oportunity to establish 2 more tricks in clubs before the opponents can cash their hearts. If partner dosn't have the ♦A, things are even more dismal. All in all, I figure 3N is about 25-30% to make.

All things considered, I sign off at 4♦.

 

Edit: After looking at the hands, I see that North should have doubled the 3♣ cuebid. 3 card support, an outside ace, and a void in the opponent's suit should be plenty for partner to compete to 3♣. So our auction should go:

 

1♣ - P - 1♦ - (1♥)

2♣ - (3♣) - X - (3♥)

 

And now I think that 5♣ looks good. Partner should be able to cover 2 losers easily.

 

Well this is interesting. Some will double 3C to support clubs and others will double 3C as responsive. That's fine if the 0-7s do different things here. Atul, how do we play double here? I would assume responsive.

[Mbodell]

I like that. I might have suggested it, but it wasn't clear to me that double wouldn't suggest a club raise. I think responsive is right. Can the other 0-7 folks go along with that? I see this problem as a sharp division between the 0-7 and Moscito with SCREAM and IMprecision falling somewhere in the middle. Richard is going to know about responder's five+ spades and 4+ diamonds immediately...Adam is going to know about responder's 4+ spades...and SCREAM is going to only know responder has values. I think SCREAM might bid the same (through the responsive double and the only shade of meaning might be to suggest extra distribution...values having been shown already.

 

Yeah, I would pass the 3♥X, but if partner X 3♣ I'll bid 3♦ and I think partner might take that to game. If instead partner bids 3♥ over 3♣ (takeout, or nt leading), I bid 3nt, but I think partner would pull that to 4♣ which I would probably raise to 5. But not sure. I much prefer to bid the hands giving one to partner and one to me so we can see what we'd do at the table for real instead of guessing on these judgement calls.