straube Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 You are South and third seat. V vs NV. Uncontested auction. ..............................J97..............................642..............................T73..............................J987Q864..............................................T32K95.................................................T87Q542..............................................AJ854...................................................KQT6..............................AK5..............................AQJ3..............................K96..............................A32 Outcomes 1N S Silent Club1N S SCREAM1N S TOSR2N S Zelandakh2N S New Big Club (HK)2N S Polish Club1N S OCP2N S Jasmine Club2N S Unassuming Club2N S Malfoir2N S jack5021N S Imprecision2N S Moscito2N S Meckwell Light 1N S Pass2000 (2-way 1C opening after forcing pass)2N S Precision by the_clown (2N opening)2N S Precision by Free (2N opening)2N S relknes (2N opening) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbforster Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 Silent Club: P-1♣ yup, thats a pass; strong1♦-1N 0-7, some GFs; 19-21 balP Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
straube Posted January 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 ..............................J97..............................642..............................T73..............................J987Q864..............................................T32K95.................................................T87Q542..............................................AJ854...................................................KQT6..............................AK5..............................AQJ3..............................K96..............................A32 SCREAM uses its 3/4 structure... 1C-1H 16+, 0-2 QPs1N-P 16-21 bal or semi-unbal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
relknes Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 You are South and third seat. V vs NV. Uncontested auction. ..............................J97..............................642..............................T73..............................J987Q864..............................................T32K95.................................................T87Q542..............................................AJ854...................................................KQT6..............................AK5..............................AQJ3..............................K96..............................A32p - 2NP Translation:N: pass, S: 20-21 balancedN: no, I realy meant PASS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mbodell Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 1nt S for tosr P-1♣ : <10 unbal or <12 bal; any 16+1♦-1♥ : 0-7 or occ 8+ with <2 ctls; kokish ♥ or big balanced1♠-1nt : forced response; 19-21 balancedP : sounds good to me, hopefully there is exactly 7 tricks to maximally beat the 2nt openers :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_clown Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 Precision: 2NT all pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 Also a 2NT opener for me, showing 20-21. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 P... - 1♣ = 15+ nat/bal or 18+ any1♦ = most non-GF... - 2NT = 21-22 bal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kungsgeten Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 You are South and third seat. V vs NV. Uncontested auction. ..............................J97..............................642..............................T73..............................J987Q864..............................................T32K95.................................................T87Q542..............................................AJ854...................................................KQT6..............................AK5..............................AQJ3..............................K96..............................A32 Pass 20001C - 1D; (1C 0-7 / 17+ in response to partner's initial 0-7 / 17+ pass)1H - 1S; (1H 20+ unbal or 21+ bal, 1S 0-4 any or 5-7 bal)1N - all pass; (21-23 bal) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hilver Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 Hilversumse Klaveren (HK) pass - 1♣1♦ - 2NTpass Explanation:1♣ = 16+, not a balanced 16-201♦ = relay, denying several one or two suited hands with 0-7 HP2NT = 21-22 balanced Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antonylee Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 1♣-1♦-1N is 18-20 for me so opener will have to rebid 2N (21-23) instead... too bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FM75 Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 OCP 1♣ - 1♦1♥ - 1♠ 19+balanced or will qualify in future bid, relay1N 19-21 balanced Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 #23. You are South and third seat. V vs NV. Uncontested auction. Jasmine ♣.North ♠ J97 ♥ 642 ♦ T73 ♣ J987: _P 1♦ 1♠South ♠ AK5 ♥ AQJ3 ♦ K96 ♣ A32: 1♣ 1♥ 1N1♣ = Art, Strong, 16+.1♦ = Art, Neg, 0-7.1♥ = Art, Relay. 18+1♠ = Art, 0-7 Flat or 5-7 with 5+ suit.2♣ = Art, Relay. 20+2♦ = 0-4 Flat.2N = 20-22 Flat.Marks, IMO: 1N = 10, 2♥ = 9, 2♣ = 7, 2N = 4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siegmund Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 Malfoir and Unassuming have the same auction here; 1C-1D2NT-P (21-22, may include 4CM) (19-20 is 1C-1D-1H-1S-1NT, 23-24 is 1C-1D-1H-1S-2NT.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 Marks, IMO: 1N = 10, 2♥ = 9, 2♣ = 7, 2N = 4.Why do you add these nonsense marks? I don't know why you think so highly of 2♥, but 2♥ is even worse than 2NT because you don't have ruffing value, while your opps may (and in fact, in the given hand West can ruff a ♣)... :unsure: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jack502 Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 1♣1♠2nt 1♠=dbl negative2nt 21-22 balanaced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 Why do you add these nonsense marks? I don't know why you think so highly of 2♥, but 2♥ is even worse than 2NT because you don't have ruffing value, while your opps may (and in fact, in the given hand West can ruff a ♣)... :unsure: Everyone has the right to freedom of opinion and expression; this right includes freedom to hold opinions without interference and to seek, receive and impart information and ideas through any media and regardless of frontiers. I make it clear that my marks are merely my subjective opinion, FWIW. Apparently not much :( Free's assessment may well be more realistic :) Anyway, IMO, we would benefit from assessments of contracts reached - preferably as a result of simulation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 Missed this one earlier MOSCITO is also 1♣ - 1♠2N Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sieong Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 IMprecision: 1♣ - 1♦ (strong; 0-4 or bal GF or 7+RP)1♥ - 1♠ (4+♥ or 21+ bal; 0-4, not very shapely)1NT - ? (21-23, bal) I would pass with the 4333 two jacks, but it is a judgment call. If responder invites, we will stop in 2NT. Also, note that if opener's majors were reversed, we will also end in 2NT, since opener would bid 1♠ over 1♦ and we cannot stop in 1NT then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petqwe Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 Does this problem finally come down to:- whether a 2NT opening is a strong balanced or not- if yes, then what the range of 2NT is- if 1♦ is negative, whether a 1♥ rebid is natural or 2-way or simply second round forcing- if 1♠ is double negative, what the range of 2NT rebid is And do people use their own invented system here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 And do people use their own invented system here?Welcome to the forums. Yes, many of us are using our own systems here. Please read the "comparing systems" thread for an explanation/overview of this project. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 "Uncontested auction", but East opens 1NT:10-12 nv. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
relknes Posted February 1, 2013 Report Share Posted February 1, 2013 "Uncontested auction", but East opens 1NT:10-12 nv.Some Easts maybe, but not many (at least in my area). And if they do, that's fine. I don't mind defending 1Nx, and if they play some kind of forced runout system (ie, they play 1Nxx or run to 2x) I will have a lot of fun doubling whatever contract they end up in (2♦x looks likely). Either way, it is better than 2N-1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted February 2, 2013 Report Share Posted February 2, 2013 Some Easts maybe, but not many (at least in my area). And if they do, that's fine. I don't mind defending 1Nx, and if they play some kind of forced runout system (ie, they play 1Nxx or run to 2x) I will have a lot of fun doubling whatever contract they end up in (2♦x looks likely). Either way, it is better than 2N-1. *** This started out "comparing systems". So what are your constraints for double intending 1NT-X?Surely denying 5-5 Majors? Bal or may have single/void?Do you think you outscore VUL game when that's on?Or does double suggest not VUL game? So what does that intended penalty double now look like?What hands does partner let penalty play? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
relknes Posted February 3, 2013 Report Share Posted February 3, 2013 So what are your constraints for double intending 1NT-X?Surely denying 5-5 Majors? Bal or may have single/void?Do you think you outscore VUL game when that's on?Or does double suggest not VUL game? So what does that intended penalty double now look like?What hands does partner let penalty play?For us, a double of NT is always penalty oriented.Constraints for doubling 1N: 17+ points. Should also have a good lead if minimum.Denying 5-5 majors?: Yes (in fact it even denies 5 spades with 4 hearts, or a 5 card major with a 5 card minor). It also denies a 6 card major.Could have a singleton or void, if for instance it has a long and strong minor suit.If partner has enough that a game is on, they will be in trouble in 1N. We have the lead, so we should get into our suits first. Not that it will always score better (hence why we prefer overcalling with very shapely major oriented hands).Partner should let the penalty double play unless they have 9+ points (8 if they have a good 5+ major).Are we alone in playing a double of 1N for penalty? I thought it was prety standard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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