flytoox Posted December 19, 2004 Report Share Posted December 19, 2004 If anything, don't use them - causes way too many headaches because pard get stuck for a rebid a lot that is awkward. I think this claim goes too far. I agree spt dbl and rdbl has its minus, but i think it has more plus. The time it causes headache is really not much compared to other conventions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted December 19, 2004 Report Share Posted December 19, 2004 I don't like to play 'pure' support Dbl's, I rather play these Dbl's as either support or negative (or both). This hasn't given me any problems so far in finding the right fit. However, support Dbl's are a nice tool if you're afraid of raising on a 3 card suit... I never raise with 3 cards, so that is not a problem to me :). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keylime Posted December 21, 2004 Report Share Posted December 21, 2004 Sorry guys but I disagree - often your pard has a poop major with 7-9 hcps and you hear this auction: 1m - P - 1M - dblRdbl - P! - ? Now what? Looks like the passer made a penalty pass to me! Secondly, what about this one: 1m - X - 1M - dblrdbl - P! - ? what's the redouble? is the double support or responsive? Lastly, what about this gem: 1m - X - 1M - 3m? What's double, support or maximal or thrump? Best to raise immediately and get on with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted December 21, 2004 Report Share Posted December 21, 2004 There are no support Dbl's above 2♥ in my agreements, because of your last argument <_< First 2 deals you give: I like to play 1M in a 4-3 fit, especially when redoubled. I don't think these passes are penalty passes, just a forcing pass imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted December 21, 2004 Report Share Posted December 21, 2004 Sorry guys but I disagree - often your pard has a poop major with 7-9 hcps and you hear this auction: 1m - P - 1M - dblRdbl - P! - ? Now what? Looks like the passer made a penalty pass to me! Secondly, what about this one: 1m - X - 1M - dblrdbl - P! - ? what's the redouble? is the double support or responsive? Lastly, what about this gem: 1m - X - 1M - 3m? What's double, support or maximal or thrump? Best to raise immediately and get on with it. Nobody plays penalty passes here, willing to play a 1 level contract where oppoenents have at least 7 trumps and about half the deck in HCP is not very smart. Anyway if they do you can saflly scape if you feel like it, jsut ask if thepass is penalty. About a level 3 double the only problem comes when you have 2 or less ♥ and a midle hand (15-17) and you can´t rebid your minor, the others you can jsut get to game. You may also use support double with 4 card support when your hand is invitational, something like KQx Jxxx x AQJxx you should use support double to see if partner stops in 3♥ or tries someting else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keylime Posted December 21, 2004 Report Share Posted December 21, 2004 You'd be surprised on how many around these parts play penalty passes. Quite a few. :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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