emalka Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 [handviewer=http://www.bridgebase.com/tools/handviewer.html?lin=pn|emalka,~~M40220,~~M40218,~~M40219|st%7C%7Cmd%7C4S3468JKAHD69JC2QA%2CSH59D23QKC34578TJ%2CS279QH468TKAD48AC%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard%206%7Csv%7Ce%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C1S%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C2N%21%7Can%7CJacoby%20-%3E%20support%3B%20balanced%20--%204%2B%20S%3B%2013%2B%20total%20points%20%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C6S%7Can%7C5%2B%20S%3B%2021-%20HCP%3B%2020-22%20total%20points%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpc%7CDK%7Cpc%7CDA%7Cpc%7CD5%7Cpc%7CD6%7Cpc%7CS2%7Cpc%7CS5%7Cpc%7CSA%7Cpc%7CC3%7Cpc%7CSK%7Cpc%7CD2%7Cpc%7CS7%7Cpc%7CST%7Cpc%7CC2%7Cpc%7CC4%7Cpc%7CS9%7Cpc%7CC6%7Cpc%7CHA%7Cpc%7CH2%7Cpc%7CD9%7Cpc%7CH5%7Cpc%7CHK%7Cpc%7CH7%7Cpc%7CDJ%7Cpc%7CH9%7Cpc%7CD4%7Cpc%7CD7%7Cpc%7CS3%7Cpc%7CD3%7Cpc%7CCQ%7Cpc%7CC7%7Cpc%7CSQ%7Cpc%7CC9%7Cpc%7CD8%7Cpc%7CDT%7Cpc%7CS4%7Cpc%7CDQ%7Cpc%7CCA%7Cpc%7CCJ%7Cpc%7CH4%7Cpc%7CCK%7Cpc%7CSJ%7Cpc%7CCT%7Cpc%7CH6%7Cpc%7CH3%7Cpc%7CS8%7Cpc%7CC8%7Cpc%7CH8%7Cpc%7CHJ%7Cpc%7CS6%7Cpc%7CC5%7Cpc%7CHT%7Cpc%7CHQ%7C]400|300[/handviewer] Jacoby 2NT used to be a balanced hand as it is explained.Has it been changed or is this a bug ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 While I am not one of the people in charge of GIB, I don't know why Jacoby 2NT should be limited to a balanced hand. Yes, I know that the explanation of the 2NT bid says balanced, but I never took that literally, as it makes little sense. I find your jump to 6♠ to be eccentric, to say the least. On the one hand, you could be off 2 cashing diamond tricks, even if North had the balanced game forcing spade raise that you expected (for example, Qxxx AKQ QTx Kxx). On the other hand, you could be cold for 7NT opposite xxxx AKx Axx Kxx and a number of variations on that theme. In this case, you were cold for 7♠ for an entirely different reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emalka Posted January 28, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 While I am not one of the people in charge of GIB, I don't know why Jacoby 2NT should be limited to a balanced hand. Yes, I know that the explanation of the 2NT bid says balanced, but I never took that literally, as it makes little sense. I find your jump to 6♠ to be eccentric, to say the least. On the one hand, you could be off 2 cashing diamond tricks, even if North had the balanced game forcing spade raise that you expected (for example, Qxxx AKQ QTx Kxx). On the other hand, you could be cold for 7NT opposite xxxx AKx Axx Kxx and a number of variations on that theme. In this case, you were cold for 7♠ for an entirely different reason. Yes, I knew we might make 7♠ or fail in 6♠.I just bid 6♠ to make it more difficult for GIB to cash the diamonds if we are missing AK of ♦ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbradley62 Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 Jacoby 2NT used to be a balanced hand as it is explained.No, it really never was. See this thread from 2011:http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/topic/47417-jacoby-2n-is-balanced/page__p__566958__hl__%2Bjacoby+%2Bbalanced__fromsearch__1#entry566958 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigpenz Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 Agree with art it shows fit, waiting to find out what opener hasIsnt 3nt the balanced hand bid giving choice of contracts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emalka Posted January 29, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 Agree with art it shows fit, waiting to find out what opener hasIsnt 3nt the balanced hand bid giving choice of contracts? 3NT is explained as 13-15 hcp, 3 spades and 3343, any 4 card suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigpenz Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 3NT is explained as 13-15 hcp, 3 spades and 3343, any 4 card suit.Yes, sounds like a choice between 3NT and major suit contract Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgi Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 Jacoby 2NT used to be a balanced hand as it is explained.Has it been changed or is this a bug ? At the moment GIB would do this with either balanced GF+ or quite stronger 4+fit hand. These are hands over splinter range as at the moment splinter is limited hand for GIB 13-16TP. Emphasizing 4+ suit and 9+ trumps. If you had give a chance on the sequence by bidding 3♥ shortness, GIB would continue with 3♠ showing the stronger hand 16+ and cuebidding might help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bbradley62 Posted April 25, 2014 Report Share Posted April 25, 2014 Can't you just remove the word "balanced"? Actually, since the explanation says "4+♥", you can also remove the word "support". [hv=sn=bbradley62&s=SAQ9HKT532DAJ8CA9&wn=Robot&w=ST8753H4DQT2C8732&nn=Robot&n=SHAJ96DK7653CKQ65&en=Robot&e=SKJ642HQ87D94CJT4&d=s&v=o&b=11&a=1H(Major%20suit%20opening%20--%205+%20%21H%3B%2011-21%20HCP%3B%2012-22%20total%20points)P2N!(Jacoby%20-%3E%20support%3B%20balanced%20--%204+%20%21H%3B%2013+%20total%20points)P3H(Balanced%20maximum%20--%202+%20%21C%3B%202+%20%21D%3B%205+%20%21H%3B%202+%20%21S%3B%2018-21%20HCP%3B%2022-%20total%20points)P3S(Cue%20bid%20--%204+%20%21H%3B%20%21SA%3B%2015+%20total%20points%3B%20forcing)P4N(Blackwood%20%5BH%5D%20--%202+%20%21C%3B%202+%20%21D%3B%205+%20%21H%3B%202+%20%21S%3B%2018-21%20HCP%3B%2022-%20total%20points)P6H(Odd%20number%20of%20keycards.%20Void%20above%20H%20--%204+%20%21H%3B%20%21SA%3B%2015+%20total%20points)PPP&p=C2C5CTCAH2H4HAH8HJH7HKS3S9S5H6S6D3D9DAD2SQSTH9S4CKC4C9C3CQCJD8C7DKD4DJDQD5S2H3DTSAS7C6SKHTS8D6HQSJH5C8D7]360|270[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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