lycier Posted January 26, 2013 Report Share Posted January 26, 2013 请大家看看下面两道牌面: 第一道: ♠:A♥:KQJ♦:AKQJ76543♣:空门 第二道: ♠:A♥:AKJT8765432♦:空门♣:2 上六还是上七?请问:你和你的搭档如何解决的?检验你的体系是否全面 。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qf2000 Posted January 26, 2013 Report Share Posted January 26, 2013 :rolleyes: :rolleyes: 忘记上次遇见它们是哪年了 :rolleyes: :) :) 开叫2♣ :) :) 开叫1♥ B-) B-) 就只会用点点这些常规滴 ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wuhuan Posted January 28, 2013 Report Share Posted January 28, 2013 这个问题我想了半天也不敢回答。静听详解!顺便说一句真心话————华人论坛真好! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madongjun Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 如果搭档双方对这种持牌有过讨论,并有约定,可以按议定的约定叫叫出来。若没有约过,按正常2C开叫,显然同伴是“不负所望”的2♣开叫牌。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted January 29, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 [hv=pc=n&s=s9hakjdakqt8765c2&w=sat64h7d93cakt973&n=sqj753hq52dj42cj5&e=sk82ht98643dcq864&d=s&v=0&b=11&a=1d2c2s5c6dppp]399|300[/hv] Lead ♣A,很容易下一。很遗憾吧,因为你缺少必要的叫牌工具!这是一幅仅有两输墩的牌面。而上文介绍的都是仅有一枚输墩: 第一道: ♠:A♥:KQJ♦:AKQJ76543♣:空门 第二道: ♠:A♥:AKJT8765432♦:空门♣:2 上六还是上七?再举一个例子: 第三道: [hv=pc=n&s=sakjt9876543hadc2]800|100[/hv] 何为解决的方法,于是乎人们想起了Acol埃克体系,开叫4nt询问特定的Ace: 应叫人回答:5♣=无Ace5♦=只有♦Ace5♥=只有♥Ace5♠=只有♠Ace5nt=有两枚Ace6♣=只有♣Ace 这样不就轻松表达了仅有1-2枚输墩的特殊牌面了嘛。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nathan2008 Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 教大家一招, 开4NT. 问A. 5C=NO A, 5D=DA 5H=HA 5S=SA 5NT=CA 6C=CA+A IN major, 6D=DA+HA etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nathan2008 Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 我和搭档用精确的,还有4c/4d 的特殊用法 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madongjun Posted January 29, 2013 Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 这个办法不错。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted January 29, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2013 还有更好的在此基础上的改进的高招呢,可以询问的,我也正在学习,佩服洋人吧。经常去bbo英语论坛看看,老外们的水平真高啊,有太多的知识我们也许一生都不知道,也看不到的,bbo英语论坛太好了太好啦。我是相形见绌,真的觉得自己是个才入门的初学者呀。同时也看到老外们高人真厉害啊,研究之深,不服不行啊......我都后悔死了,前些年就来过bbo论坛几回,唉,早就死心塌地跟着bbo论坛,现在不就更好了嘛...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
000ffj Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 高,借用了 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madongjun Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 借此帖用:那么开叫5NT是不是也有什么约定叫? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
601821297 Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 一直想知道4NT开叫的特殊性在哪,后续又是如何表达的,今天学习了,谢谢 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wuhuan Posted January 30, 2013 Report Share Posted January 30, 2013 英语论坛我连想都不敢想,这辈子就认准华人论坛了,就跟心烛老师混了! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted January 31, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 英语论坛我连想都不敢想,这辈子就认准华人论坛了,就跟心烛老师混了! http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/cool.gif眼泪感动得哗哗地....哈。马上要过年了,大家说话放松一些,开开玩笑,过几天我给大家献上2013年新年礼物:《西部扣叫》,敬请大家期待。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sungh Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 原来用4NT开叫是特定花色的Ace问叫。来解决仅有1-2枚输墩的特例牌的。学习了! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lipeng2076 Posted January 31, 2013 Report Share Posted January 31, 2013 这个4nt这么用,开眼了,谢谢! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
haikuo Posted February 21, 2013 Report Share Posted February 21, 2013 4n这种用法看来有用武之地了! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
world7th Posted February 21, 2013 Report Share Posted February 21, 2013 A问叫也很好的啊,还能解决k的问题呢。不管精确自然,强开后跳叫花色就是将牌,同时问A,例如1c-1d/3h!,2c-2d/3H!答叫是有哪个a答哪个A。没a没k加叫到局,有一到两个K叫nt,以后4c继续问叫哪个k。 但这种方法怕被干扰,不过点多的话还是没问题的。可以和直接开4nt联合使用! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted February 22, 2013 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 A问叫也很好的啊,还能解决k的问题呢。不管精确自然,强开后跳叫花色就是将牌,同时问A,例如1c-1d/3h!,2c-2d/3H!答叫是有哪个a答哪个A。没a没k加叫到局,有一到两个K叫nt,以后4c继续问叫哪个k。 但这种方法怕被干扰,不过点多的话还是没问题的。可以和直接开4nt联合使用! 你是主打精确体系的牌手?很好,很有建设性,理应受鼓励的。其实,你心里明明知道这种强牌主打实力强大,而防守实力不太强,这牌如在低阶上开叫,当然不错,可就怕敌方凶猛干扰,后果极其严重!极有可能陷入最后猜测境地,就会造成事实上的低叫或冒叫!如果上述牌面有缺陷,那么你的方法就会很好。 避免最后猜测!这是叫牌铁的纪律!否则战场上的生存率不高,许多很有实力的牌手于此含恨败北。慎之乎也!而直接4nt,则免受其扰,更不会给opps以交换信息的时空,所以本方法具有特殊的意义。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
world7th Posted February 22, 2013 Report Share Posted February 22, 2013 谢谢版主的鼓励,我以前主打精确,2盖1也打,但一些问题似是而非。我觉得牌理是相通的,东西可以互相借鉴,例如我也把自然的一些东西放到精确里。 象A问叫,就很好,尤其是在高点不可能有干扰的时候用,很好,所以要和直接开叫4nt组合使用,效果会更好。直接开叫4nt能解决缺一A的问题,但A问叫能解决缺一K的问题。例如:持SAX,HAK,DAK,CAKQJT98,直接4nt问不出来,但A问叫肯定行。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted March 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 8, 2013 和朋友们重申一下:如果大家没有异议的话,这就是以后我们大家在一起打牌的公共约定了。请大家现在再次浏览背诵下来。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sungh Posted March 10, 2013 Report Share Posted March 10, 2013 嗯,使用的机率还是不多,容易忘记的。这写个顺口溜,帮助记忆:有啥答啥,没有就5♣,两个就5NT,6♣是梅花A。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yaoqi Posted March 17, 2013 Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 这两种牌例20年前我和我pd有方法介决我们引入了2d问a有什么a叫什么加一级继续问无a回nt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yaoqi Posted March 17, 2013 Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 这两种牌例20年前我和我pd有方法介决我们引入了2d问a有什么a叫什么加一级继续问无a回nt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted March 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted March 17, 2013 这两种牌例20年前我和我pd有方法介决我们引入了2d问a有什么a叫什么加一级继续问无a回nt 1-对手还有个牺牲干扰性的问题可曾考虑2-这种定约会牺牲花色分布发生概率更高的一些基础性约定,太不合算了,所以早就淘汰了。 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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