Deal #17

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You are South and Dealer. NV vs NV. Imps. Uncontested auction. This deal was played by local experts.

 

 

.........................Q5

.........................KJ95

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.........................J7643

832........................................J976

AT64.....................................72

K862.....................................T3

K8.........................................AQT92

.........................AKT4

.........................Q83

.........................AQJ54

.........................5

 

 

2N S IMprecision

3D S SCREAM

1N S Moscito

2N S Precision by the_clown

2N N relknes

2N N Silent Club

2N S OCP

2N S Unassuming Club

2D N Malfoir

3D N New Big Club

3D S Zelandakh

3D N Meckwell Light

3H N TOSR

2N N Jasmine Club

3D N Precision by Free

 

2H N Polish Club (1D opening)

3D N Pass 2000 (non-strong club)

[awm]

Finally one where we won't bid game!

 

IMprecision:

 

1♣ - 2♦ (strong club, 4+♥ and 5+♣ and 5+ hcp and 2-6RP)

2NT - Pass (non-fittig min without five spades, no real extra shape or values)

 

I think we'd rather be lower, but 2NT has a shot at making.

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.........................Q5

.........................KJ95

.........................97

.........................J7643

832........................................J976

AT64.....................................72

K862.....................................T3

K8.........................................AQT92

.........................AKT4

.........................Q83

.........................AQJ54

.........................5

 

 

SCREAM bids this...

 

1C-1H 16+, 2-4 QPs

1N-2C (dbl) 17-18 bal or 3-suited 16-18, stayman (lead directing)

2S-2N 4 spades, invitational

3D

 

This won't showcase well. Our 1H response is very preemptive when opener doesn't have sufficient values to relay the hand. I think our South would rebid 1N. North is usually expecting to find 17-18 in South's hand and wants to invite game. No fit of course. I have South removing 2N to 3D. Systemically 3C is a courtesy bid on the way to 3N in case responder has a long minor. I think 3D has to be a suggestion to play after hearing the lead directing double of 2C. I haven't analyzed whether 2N or 3H plays better. Based on our auction, which contract would you decide to play?

[hrothgar]

I suspect that the MOSCITO auction would go

 

1♣ - 1♥ 1♥ = semi positive, balanced or three suited or unbalanced with no 5+ card major

1N - P 1N = 15-17 balanced

[the_clown]

Precision

 

1♣-1♦

1N-2♣ (5♦4M any strenght OR 24+ bal|| ask for major)

2♠-2N (4Spades 16-21, invitational)

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Precision

 

1♣-1♦

1N-2♣ (5♦4M any strenght OR 24+ bal|| ask for major)

2♠-2N

 

Assume they double 2C. What's your choice for final contract? 2N, 3D, 3H?

[relknes]

You are South and Dealer. NV vs NV. Imps. Uncontested auction. This deal was played by local experts.

 

 

.........................Q5

.........................KJ95

.........................97

.........................J7643

832........................................J976

AT64.....................................72

K862.....................................T3

K8.........................................AQT92

.........................AKT4

.........................Q83

.........................AQJ54

.........................5

1♣ - 1♦

2♦ - 2♥

2♠ - 2N

P

 

Translation:

S: 16+, N: 0-8

S: 16-~21, 5+, N: ~5-8, 4+

S: 4+, N: club stopper, no fit, 7-8 points

S: 16-17 points, lets play 2N

 

Another misfit auction. We just don't do well with those, especially when opener has primary diamonds. This is the sort of auction where, if the hands were a little different, we might end up playing 2M on a 4-3 fit or even 3m on a 5-2 fit (for instance, if the ♣J in the North hand were the ♣2 instead, we would end up at 3♦... yuck.)

 

I have been considering putting the 16-17 point hands with a 4 card major and a longer minor into our 1♦ opening (which promises a 4 card major, and says nothing about diamonds). If we were to make such a change, the bidding would look like:

 

1♦ - 1♥

2♦ - P

 

Translation:

S: 10-17, 4 card major, no 5+ major, N: 4+ hearts

S: 14-17, 4 spades and 5+ diamonds, N: pass

 

Is that a change that people think would improve the system? I mean, it works well for this hand, but in general?

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1♣ - 1♦

2♦ - 2♥

2♠ - 2N

P

 

Translation:

S: 16+, N: 0-8

S: 16-~21, 5+, N: ~5-8, 4+

S: 4+, N: club stopper, no fit, 7-8 points

S: 16-17 points, lets play 2N

 

Another misfit auction. We just don't do well with those, especially when opener has primary diamonds. This is the sort of auction where, if the hands were a little different, we might end up playing 2M on a 4-3 fit or even 3m on a 5-2 fit (for instance, if the ♣J in the North hand were the ♣2 instead, we would end up at 3♦... yuck.)

 

I have been considering putting the 16-17 point hands with a 4 card major and a longer minor into our 1♦ opening (which promises a 4 card major, and says nothing about diamonds). If we were to make such a change, the bidding would look like:

 

1♦ - 1♥

2♦ - P

 

Translation:

S: 10-17, 4 card major, no 5+ major, N: 4+ hearts

S: 14-17, 4 spades and 5+ diamonds, N: pass

 

Is that a change that people think would improve the system? I mean, it works well for this hand, but in general?

 

I used to play a similar system except our 1D always promised a major (1D-1H, 1N promised spades) and not sure that yours would. In any case, it worked well for a lot of hands but had trouble with others. I particularly didn't like dealing with the (31)(54) hands. I think it's pretty important to promise a 6-cd minor if you open as high as 2m. Overall, I'm not fond of 1D-1M, 2m showing 4OM/5m.

[rbforster]

Silent Club:

 

1♣-1♦ strong; most 0-7

1♠-2♦ art, two suited min, includes a major; asking for the major

2♠-2N better major (could be 5=4); invitational with short spades and 4 hearts

P

 

A clear invitational auction for us, declined, and no fit found.

[relknes]

I used to play a similar system except our 1D always promised a major (1D-1H, 1N promised spades) and not sure that yours would. In any case, it worked well for a lot of hands but had trouble with others. I particularly didn't like dealing with the (31)(54) hands. I think it's pretty important to promise a 6-cd minor if you open as high as 2m. Overall, I'm not fond of 1D-1M, 2m showing 4OM/5m.

Yes, our 1♦ always promises at least one 4 card major (and 4-4 majors if balanced), so 1♦-1♥-1N would promise 4 spades and a 5+ minor (or possibly 4-4 minors) with 10-13 points.

[the_clown]

Assume they double 2C. What's your choice for final contract? 2N, 3D, 3H?

 

Well Opener will deny Club stopper by bidding 2♠ (With a stop he passes first). Now responder has a tough call over 2♠ but I dont think he can bid anything but 2N

[FM75]

OCP

1♣ - 1♦ 0-7

1N - 2♣ 16-18, stayman not promising 4 card major

2♠ - 2N

[antonylee]

I'm out on this one.

1♦-1♥

1♠-1N

2♥

or something like that.

[Siegmund]

Unassuming will replicate antonylee's auction.

 

Malfoir gets there the hard way. If opener stretches to bid 1H -- he is allowed to bid 1D with 7 or 8, if he doesn't have spades:

 

1C - 1H (1C includes weak hands with 4 spades, as well as 15+ bal 16+ minor 19+ any)

1S - 1NT (11-18 4 spades, natural)

 

and now opener has the same decision re trying 2H as in Polish and Unassuming.

 

If he takes the low road (and I think he should):

 

1C - 1D

1S - 1NT

2D (exactly 4 spades, 5 or more diamonds, still 11-18) and responder will leave it there.

 

So I guess put me down for 2DN rather than 2HN. Heh.

[Free]

I'll have to check this with my partner, because I'm not sure if 2♦ is artificial F1 or natural NF:

1♣-1♦ (16+ ; 0-7 or GF 4441)

1♠-2♣ (4+♠ F1 ; 5-7 with 0-2♠)

2♦-pass (5+♦? NF?)

[the_clown]

I'll have to check this with my partner, because I'm not sure if 2♦ is artificial F1 or natural NF:

1♣-1♦ (16+ ; 0-7 or GF 4441)

1♠-2♣ (4+♠ F1 ; 5-7 with 0-2♠)

2♦-pass (5+♦? NF?)

 

Passing with a 7 count is very pesimistic if you ask me......

[Kungsgeten]

You are South and Dealer. NV vs NV. Imps. Uncontested auction. This deal was played by local experts.

 

 

.........................Q5

.........................KJ95

.........................97

.........................J7643

832........................................J976

AT64.....................................72

K862.....................................T3

K8.........................................AQT92

.........................AKT4

.........................Q83

.........................AQJ54

.........................5

 

Pass 2000

South will have a choice between showing the hand as 12-16 unbal or 17+. Here's both auctions:

 

1C (12-16 unbal or 15-17 bal) - 1D (0-7 or game forcing);

2S (12-16, 4 spades and 5+ diamonds or 4-0-4-5) - 3C (pass or correct, in case partner has 4-0-4-5);

3D

 

pass (0-7 or 17+) - 1C (0-7 or 17+);

1S (4+ spades, unbal may have longer side suit, 17-19 hcp) - 1NT (relay);

2D (4 spades, 5+ diamonds).

 

Here north will have to choose between making an INV bid (perhaps 2NT) or passing.

[Hilver]

Hilversumse Klaveren (HK)

 

A hard one for HK.

 

1♣ - 1♦

1NT - 2♦

2♥ - 2♠

2NT - 3♦

pass

 

Explanation:

1♣ = 16+, not a balanced 16-20

1♦ = relay, denying several weak hand with 0-7 HCP and one or two suits

1NT = 5+ diamonds

2♦ = relay, 6/7+ HCP

2♥ = besides a 5+ card ♦ a 4-card major and 16-18 HCP

2♠ = relay

2NT = 5+-card ♦, a 4-card ♠ and 2 or 3 card ♥

3♦ = sign off

 

The choice is passing 2NT or bidding 3♦.

 

Jan

[rbforster]

Would people agree on the standard 2/1 auction? My guess is:

 

1♦-1♥

1♠-1N

2♥-P

 

where 2H shows extras. Not sure if this is enough extras to show, or whether standard players might drop it in 1N. Guessing they should bid again over 1N in general, if not this time.

[Free]

Passing with a 7 count is very pesimistic if you ask me......

I wouldn't call it very pessimistic, maybe just a little. ♣J isn't worth anything, so in the range 5-7 you're just medium. It's also clear that this is a total misfit. So why would we have to push anything? Just playing a 5-2 fit at 2-level seems like a plus, anything else is a gamble.

[Zelandakh]

Passing with a 7 count is very pesimistic if you ask me......

If you think passing is pessimistic on that auction, what is it on:

 

pass (0-7 or 17+) - 1C (0-7 or 17+);

1S (4+ spades, unbal may have longer side suit, 17-19 hcp) - 1NT (relay);

2D (4 spades, 5+ diamonds).

 

Here north will have to choose between making an INV bid (perhaps 2NT) or passing.

where South has shown 17-19?

 

 

As for my auction, well I can give two. My first thought was

 

1♦ = 10-17, 4+ diamonds, unbal

... - 1NT = weak, 4+ hearts, not 4+ spades

2NT = max, 3 hearts

 

where North takes a chance on the spade suit for want of a better alternative. The trouble with this auction is that 2NT is usually only bid with 6 diamonds on this auction. So better I think is

 

1♦ = (9)10-17, 4+ diamonds, unbal

... - 1NT = weak, 4+ hearts, not 4+ spades

2♠ = natural, max

... - 3♣ = diamonds

3♦

 

even though the final contract is worse. I cannot stop in 2NT on this auction because it is artificial. End result: 3♦(S).

[Free]

I suspect that the MOSCITO auction would go

 

1♣ - 1♥ 1♥ = semi positive, balanced or three suited or unbalanced with no 5+ card major

1N - P 1N = 15-17 balanced

How do you play 1♣-1♥-2♦ these days? I know modern versions play something like Multi-Landy, so there's not much left other than to bid 1NT ofcourse. However, if 2♦ was natural, I'd probably bid it.

[JLOGIC]

1c 1d

1s 2c (6 or 7 without 3s)

2d 2s (weak relay denies 4h, 2 spades and less than 5h)

3d p

 

Ugly

[dake50]

1C-1D-

1S-1N-....... 16+,4+S .......... 5-7, no likey Sp

2D-2H. ...... 5+D,no like NT ....4+H

............. 3+H, 16-18 so quit.

[Mbodell]

4♥ N at the table with tosr (possibly 3nt or 2♥N by system?)

 

1♣-1♦ : any 16+; 0-7 or occ 8+ with <2 ctls

2♦-2♥ : nat, not forcing; good hand in context with 4+ (often 5) H

3♥-4♥ : fit for H, and not terrible in context; game

 

Probably I should bid 3nt choice of game instead of 4♥ and partner probably passes that. Possibly partner should pass 2♥ given the minimal hand.