Deal #13

[nige1]

#13. You are South and dealer. All white. Imps. Your RHO will overcall 1S if available. Your LHO will raise to 2S if available. Still no DN. This deal was played by a local expert pair.

Jasmine ♣ amended to remove interference.

North ♠ J5 ♥ KT75 ♦ J9 ♣ AQ754: __ 1♠ 3♥

South ♠ AQ3 ♥ QJ862 ♦ AKQT8 ♣-: 1♣ 3♣ 6♥

• 1♣ = Art, 16+.
• 1♠ = Art, 8+, 4+ ♥.
• 3♣ = Exclusion key-ask.
• 3♥ = Art, 1 key.
• 6♥ = Nat.

Marks, IMO: 6♥ = 10, 5♥ = 7. 3N, 5♦ = 6. 6♦ = 5. Partscores = 1.

Edited February 6, 2013 by nige1

[antonylee]

The overcall is on the other side.

[Zelandakh]

Nige, if I am following your system correctly your auction will begin 1♣ - 1♠. Then East will not overcall so you get an uncontested auction.

[mycroft]

Asking bids come up this time. [auction to 6♥ elided]

It's a bit aggressive, much more comfortable with the fourth heart and the ♦J. I can see us chickening out (especially because I'm only 99% convinced that 5♣ won't get passed).

Nice auction but could you revise because I don't think RHO will double 1S and you won't get that extra space after the raise. I know I'm being picky but I'm trying to be fair.

Picky is fine, but why wouldn't they "overcall" spades? I would find it odd that RHO will show spades over 1♦, whether it is GF or not, or 1♥ "8-11", but not over a club GF. Maybe lefty won't "no-space" raise into an asking bid auction, though - that's reasonable.

 

1♣-1♠

2♥-3♦

...I don't know. 3♥ should be a trump quality ask, but it's not in our notes. If it switches back to "normal", we're going to continue:

3♥-4♣ and we may chicken out.

Maybe 5♥ after 3♦(trump ask)? Maybe 5♣? Either of those get us to slam, and we're even less comfortable about it than the first auction.

[straube]

Nige, if I am following your system correctly your auction will begin 1♣ - 1♠. Then East will not overcall so you get an uncontested auction.

 

Yeah, I can't follow what the Jasmine club's auction actually is. If North responds 1S or higher, it's uncontested. Please resubmit. Thanks.

[Siegmund]

In Malfoir, and possibly also Unassuming:

 

1C-1H (1S)

3H (19+ with 4+ hearts -- 16-18 with 4 hearts not possible) then cuebids.

 

It is not clear to me from the Unassuming notes online whether people still use a 2C rebid by opener on any 19+ here after 1S since the overcall consumed no space, or whether a natural strong jump is necessary.

 

As long as jump shifts are still game-forcing (they aren't in textbook Unassuming) I would consider 1H too, trusting the 18HCP over the 3 losers temporarily, becuase showing these 5-5s can be such a pain.

[Zelandakh]

It is not clear to me from the Unassuming notes online whether people still use a 2C rebid by opener on any 19+ here after 1S since the overcall consumed no space, or whether a natural strong jump is necessary.

I am fairly sure they do. From what I understand of the UAC competitive logic, X would be takeout, 2♣ strong and other bids as without interference except xNT shows a stop and x♠ denies one.

[Kungsgeten]

You are South and dealer. All white. Imps. Your RHO will overcall 1S if available. Your LHO will raise to 2S if available. Still no DN. This deal was played by a local expert pair.

 

................J5

...............KT75

...............J9

...............AQ754

T42...........................K9876

943...........................A

42.............................7653

KJ832........................T96

...............AQ3

...............QJ862

...............AKQT8

...............void

 

Pass 2000

pass (0-7 or 17+) - 1D (8-16, 4+ hearts may be canapé) - (1S);

4C (void and 4+ support, strong hand)-4H;

4NT (RKC0314) - 5D;

6H (hoping for east to hold the spade king)

[Mbodell]

By system we get to 6♥N, at the table I forgot and we only get to 5♥N

 

By system:

1♣-1nt : 16+; gf, 8+ hcp, 2+ cts, 4+H

2♣-2♥ : relay; 5+C, 4H

2♠-3♣ : relay; 2=4=2=5 (or occ 1=4=1=7)

3♦-3♠ : relay; 3 controls

4♥-5♣ : wimpy cues; one of the top 2 in clubs and hearts

6♥

 

At table:

1♣-1nt : 16+; gf, 8+ hcp, 2+ cts, 4+H

2♣-2♥ : relay; 5+C, 4H

2♠-3♣ : relay; 2=4=2=5 (or occ 1=4=1=7)

3♦-3♠ : relay; 3 controls

4♥-4nt : wimpy cues; forgot wimpy is deny A or K not just A and showed A or K of clubs but neither top 2 hearts

5♥

[qplus10]

1♣2nt(11-13 balanced)

3♦3♥(stopper)

4nt rkcb for ♦ 5♦

6♥

[jack502]

1♣1♦(1♠)

2♥(2♠)3♥

3♠4♣

4♦4♥

4♠4nt

5♠6♥

 

 

1♦=gf

2♥=4+hearts.

lots of cues and 4nt rkcb.

[Zelandakh]

straube, did you change your result to 6♥ on this hand or stick with 4♥? FWiiW I think South is worth an extra try over 4♦. You have not shown any extras at all over the initial 1♣ opening that I can see.

[nige1]

The overcall is on the other side.

Nige, if I am following your system correctly your auction will begin 1♣ - 1♠. Then East will not overcall so you get an uncontested auction.

Jasmine ♣ (amended to remove interference).

North ♠ J5 ♥ KT75 ♦ J9 ♣ AQ754: __ 1♠ 3♥

South ♠ AQ3 ♥ QJ862 ♦ AKQT8 ♣-: 1♣ 3♣ 6♥

• 1♣ = Art, 16+.
• 1♠ = Art, 8+, 4+ ♥.
• 3♣ = Exclusion key-ask.
• 3♥ = Art, 1 key.
• 6♥ = Nat.

A bit agricultural :)

 

Marks, IMO: 6♥ = 10, 5♥ = 7. 3N, 5♦ = 6. 6♦ = 5. Partscores = 1.

[DinDIP]

Playing our version of SCAMP, a Moscito variant:

1C = 16+

... 1S = 8+, 4+H, 0-3S (so E might X as a stolen bid)

1N = relay. O would break with a minimum to show support and a SPL but this hand is both too strong and has a (near) solid source of tricks that can't be shown.

... 2H = 4H, 5+C

2S = relay. 4C would be a SPL, showing a hand too strong to break over 1S. we try to avoid relaying with a void but this hand still has the tricks that can't be shown.

... 3C = 2-4-2-5

3D = QP ask

... 3S = 6QP

4C = relay for DCB

... 4D = 0 or 4+QP (so AQ/AK/AKQ) in C

4H = relay

... 4N = 1-3QP in H, 0 or 4+ in S

6H

 

Note that this method of DCB can be bad when teller show 0 or 4+ in two suits and asker cannot tell at a safe level. Here, we'd be OK as asker could bid 5H over a 3S (=4-5QP) response. This asks for for just one top honour as asker could bid 4D to ask for 2+ honours in any 3+card suit and Hx in any doubleton. O doesn't need to make the same bid over the 3S response as he can bid 5H if teller shows 0 or 4+ in C and H and then shows the SK (so holding Kx xxxx xx AQxxx). Note that if teller has the HAK then he must have the CQ as his other QP so DCB will start differently.

 

Alternatively, O could bid 3H to ask for controls (A=2, K=1) and then bid 5H (same options, same logic).

 

David

[FM75]

OCP

 

1♣ - 2♣

2♥ - 3♣ 0-3 controls and Hxx, xxxx or better in ♥

3♠ - 4♣ 3rd round control.

4♥ - Would need very specific controls, missing 4 to look for slam. We know the ♠K is missing.

[Lord Molyb]

Molybdenum Forcing Pass System:

 

S ---- N

P --- 1♣ (opening, 0-bad 12)

2♣ --- 2NT (club void and 16- bad 20/21, invite or better in a suit or GF in NT)

3♣ --- 3♥ (asks for more information, invite or better in hearts)

3♠ --- 3NT (either a spade cue or 3 or fewer hearts, asks for clarification)

4♦ --- 5♥ (agrees hearts, extras)

5NT --- 6♣ (GSF, king or ace of hearts without queen)

6♥ --- P (signoff)

 

The sequence is not finalized, I'm still working on this part, as my slam biddings after opener shows a void are still unrefined.

 

with interference it goes:

 

S ---- N

P --- 1♣ (1♠) (see above)

2♠ --- 3♠ (strong hand with hearts and a minor, near maximum with heart support)

5NT --- 6♣ (GSF, K or A without queen)

6♥ --- P

Easier with interference.

[Zelandakh]

The sequence is not finalized, I'm still working on this part, as my slam biddings after opener shows a void are still unrefined.

You also need to add a 1♠ overcall by East and a 2♠ raise by West. I am guessing you will not have 2♣ available as a void-showing bid over that.

 

As an aside, if North does only have an invite in hearts, how do you stop short of game?

[Lord Molyb]

You also need to add a 1♠ overcall by East and a 2♠ raise by West. I am guessing you will not have 2♣ available as a void-showing bid over that.

 

As an aside, if North does only have an invite in hearts, how do you stop short of game?

...that's why I'm working on it :unsure:

If I make the 2NT --> 3♥ call GF then I still don't have an invitational. I suppose I could make 3♥ over 2♣ the invite, but I won't have an invitational bid over 2♠ if that's also void-showing.

[Zelandakh]

Here's a possible solution:-

 

2♣ = diamond void

... - 2♦ = GF relay

... - 2M = to play

... - 2N = invite in any suit (3♣ to decline a club invite (Paradox))

... - 3♣/3M = nat GF

... - 3♦ = pick a major

2♦ = heart void

... - 2♥ = GF relay

... - 2♠ = to play

... - 2N = puppet to 3♣, minor sign off or invite in spades

... - 3m = nat invite

... - 3♥ = GF in unknown minor

... - 3♠ = nat GF

2♥ = spade void

... - 2♠ = GF relay

... - 2N = puppet to 3♣, for sign off in any suit

... - 3m/3♥ = nat invite

... - 3♠ = GF in unknown minor

2♠ = club void

... - 2N = GF relay

... - 3♣ = puppet to 3♦, for sign off in any suit

... - 3♦/3M = nat invite

 

If you do not like the idea of a GF relay then you can rearrange to cover the different hand types more naturally, for example

 

2♠ = club void

... - 2N = puppet to 3♣, for invite in any suit

... - 3♣ = puppet to 3♦, for sign off in any suit

... - 3♦/3M = nat GF

 

As long as you make the 2♠ "rebid" show a club void, rather than 2♣, you have the necessary space.

[Lord Molyb]

quoting a long post is not a desirable thing in forums.

[Lord Molyb]

That looks very interesting and probably will fix my problem. Thanks very much.

[Zelandakh]

You are most welcome.

[CamHenry]

Unnamed Homebrew Diamond:

2♠-2N Weak ♣ OR weak (♥ and minor) OR GF (♥ and minor)/enquiry (weaker bids available)

3N-6♥ 3-loser hand, red suits/cover 2 losers and prefer ♥

[PrecisionL]

Upgraded Ultra Club Relay (C3)

 

1♣ - 1♠ = 4+♥ or 11+ and Balanced -

1NT = asking - 2♣ = canape with 5+ unknown minor -

2♦ = asking - 2♥ = 5+ ♣ -

2♠ DAB - 3♦ = no shortage = 2=4=2=5 -

3♥ Beta - 3NT = 3 Controls -

4♣ = CAB - 4♠ = A♣ -

6♥ = 50-50 at best All pass

 

Edited 3/2/12 1:56 pm EST 50-50 at worst

[Zelandakh]

Upgraded Ultra Club Relay (C3)

 

6♥ = 50-50 at best All pass

What do you mean by "50-50 at best"? It is usually not a good idea to bid a slam that is at best a 50% chance.