paulg Posted January 20, 2013 Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 This was one of the most discussed hands of the weekend. We did better than most in the auction but were still left with an interesting decision. You hold IMPs, Love All[hv=pc=n&n=sakqjt92hadac6543]133|100[/hv]You have a long and complex auction where you learn that partner holds precisely [hv=pc=s&s=sxxhkqxxdkxxcaxxx]133|100[/hv]Partner may hold one jack. All the opponents know about that your hand is that you have 4+ spades. They know partner's distribution and the number of (top 3) honours he has in each suit - vagaries of the auction means that partner will play any spade contract. What contract would you like to be in? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted January 20, 2013 Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 7NT if partner is playing it, otherwise 7♠. I want to be dummy so that RHO has a safe spade lead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted January 20, 2013 Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 Are you trying to fool us with xxxs in the South hand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 Are you trying to fool us with xxxs in the South hand?No, but the 8♠ is a hugely important card in partner's hand which makes 7N laydown on a club lead, and you don't know if he has it. I'm with gnasher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 I would pot 7NT. Hearts could be 6-2 and spades 3-1, partner holding the 8 or 7x with 8 dropping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 There is a 33 % chance that partner has the S8 even if they find the club lead right? This doesn't even really seem close. Edit: Just realized the question might be 7S vs 7N. 7S seems better since partner might have 7x of spades and it's stiff 8. A more important issue is probably what gnasher said, if we can be dummy we should do that. If we are dummy or declarer in both spades and NT I pick spades. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 If they're going to lead a club, partner has the S7 and not the 8 on 26.66% of his spade holdings, and the S8 will be singleton on ~12.5 % of those times, so on a club lead we gain ~3.33% of the time by playing spades instead of NT if hearts arenot 6-2. On the other hand, NT is better than spades when hearts are 6-2 and spades are 3-1 and partner has the S8. It is also better if 7S is going down on a club ruff, however if that is true we are likely getting lightner Xed anyways. Probably the other factors are more important since this is pretty negligible. Overall I would say 7S by partner is the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 Since Partner was first to name Spades, and we have made the auction confusing to the opponents, we get to decide between 7N and 7S based on who we think is more likely to lead out of turn so a Club cannot be led. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbenvic Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 I would bid 7nt. They'll know I have both red aces and if they have lots of the pips they may choose a passive lead so as not to give away anything hoping that the side suits are breaking badly and that my 13th trick disappears. Yes they could lead a ♣ but I think in 7♠ a club lead is slightly higher than 7NT. Also it picks up an imp when right ,and avoids the tiny chance of a club ruff at trick 1. Edit I do like gnashers reason for 7♠ though and wish I'd have thought of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulg Posted January 21, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 My partner wimped out and settled for the small slam which was trivial with the weaker hand playing it. There is also no interest in the play for the grand slam since singleton ♠8 is the only option for a make on a club lead. But the real interest focused on the play in the small slam when the strong hand declared. Hands rotated to make South declarer. [hv=pc=n&s=sakqjt92hadac6543&n=s74hkq32dk32cajt9]133|200[/hv]South is in 6♠. West leads the ♣2 (4th from good suits, 2nd from 3+ small). What is your line? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 Win the ace and try to soul read it if an honor doesn't drop lol. Since you were nice enough to give me the 2 of spades I would go for the hero play if LHO has 8xx of spades, otherwise I will hope clubs are blocked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 It might be a hand where you make 7 but don't make 6 because of agression factors against 6 including attasck form queen, king and singleton club, wich are less atractive agaisnt grand. Bidding 7♠ has the dissadvantage of telling opps that you have a long suit when they lead, leading away from a king or queen wich is short against 7NT is really unatractive. About the play in 6♠ playing jack of clubs looks obvious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 About the play in 6♠ playing jack of clubs looks obvious. Meh, that lead is a stiff a lot, and when clubs are 1-4 LHO probably has 3 or 4 spades a lot. True I will go down when LHO has 3 spades and has led from Hxx but it doesn't seem that likely. Also, half the time RHO has Hx of clubs we can probably read it since he won't falsecard at trick 1 (eg, if they play ud and RHO plays the 8 we can probably change plans and play RHO for H8 even if he has a stiff spade). Assuming RHO will play an honest card at trick 1 which is like 100 % playing the ace only goes down half the time RHO has Hx of clubs and a stiff or void in spades. On the other hand, it it makes on stiff 2 of clubs and 3-4 spades on your left. Feels like playing the ace is a lot better if you factor in a stiff is much more likely than Hxx on opening lead IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 I didn't see the gambit, never done one yet. But if ♣2 is a singleton we aren't down yet playing low gotta count better, we must have 12+ tricks if we have all the aces. But then the play is consistent with a red singleton and doubleton club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 Sry to spam the thread but a lot of times you can tell the difference between an Hxx and a stiff lead at the table anyways so that will also help. On a slow club lead I would not play opening leader for a stiff obv haha. But if ♣2 is a singleton we aren't down yet playing low We should probably should be, we relayed then bid 6S we cannot really be off an ace. Maybe if we were gambling with 8 solid x Ax xx or something. But their lead agreements are such that the 2 lead shows an honor or a stiff, and RHO is looking at all the honors so... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 damn, quoted me before I could edit :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulg Posted January 21, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 When clubs are 3-2, you only go down by playing the ace when the lead is from KQ2 or 82 or 72, all of which would be anti-systemic leads. Otherwise the clubs are blocked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 I didn't see the gambit, never done one yet. But if ♣2 is a singleton we aren't down yet playing low gotta count better, we must have 12+ tricks if we have all the aces. But then the play is consistent with a red singleton and doubleton club. Aren't our spades too good for the gambit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WellSpyder Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 Aren't our spades too good for the gambit?I don't think jlogic is talking about leading a low spade from hand to try to get a spade entry to dummy. Rather, he is suggesting cashing two top trumps, then the red suit aces and finally exiting with S2 to RHO's third spade. Assuming the lead was indeed a singleton club, then RHO will have to lead a red suit to dummy.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 yeah I though that was called a gambit, except that wellspyder has LHO and RHO wrong Who has made that coup ever? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 yeah I though that was called a gambit, except that wellspyder has LHO and RHO wrong Who has made that coup ever? Yeah, a true gambit is what Wellspyder referenced which is one of the coolest plays in existence. I don't know what the play is called which develops an entry by sacrificing a trick. Remember to give count in trump when you hold x-x-2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnasher Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 Has RHO had a chance to double an artificial club bid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 When clubs are 3-2, you only go down by playing the ace when the lead is from KQ2 or 82 or 72, all of which would be anti-systemic leads. Otherwise the clubs are blocked. Not if you lose a spade and a club Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WellSpyder Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 yeah I though that was called a gambit, except that wellspyder has LHO and RHO wrong Who has made that coup ever?(Sorry about the confusion of LHO and RHO) I have indeed seen this coup at the table, though it was unfortunately an opponent who brought it off against my partner....[hv=pc=n&s=sak6haqjt832dt76c&n=sj75h4d98432cakj6&d=n&v=0&b=1&a=pp1hp1np4hppp]266|200[/hv]I'm afraid I don't see how to include the play in the diagram, but the opening lead was ♦K, overtaken by East who switched to ♠10. Declarer took ♠A while West played the 8, then played ♥A followed by ♥10. West showed out on the second round, while East took ♥K and continued with ♠4..... Not the only option for declarer, perhaps, but the winning one followed at the table (unfortunately not found by teammates at the other table) was to take ♠K, then play ♥Q followed by ♥2. East won an unexpected ♥ trick, but (having started with a 2416 shape) had to exit with a ♣, allowing declarer to discard both his losing ♦s as well as the losing ♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulg Posted January 21, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 Has RHO had a chance to double an artificial club bid?Against us they did have a couple of chances but never asked about any of the auction until the end. If they had asked, then doubling a club bid would have carried some danger given that opener had already shown four clubs and responder's hand was completely unknown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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