straube Posted January 20, 2013 Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 You are South and 4th seat. V vs NV. Uncontested auction. Imps .......................632.......................Q984.......................AJT95.......................5?...............................................??...............................................??...............................................??...............................................?........................AKJ........................K53........................82........................AKJ62 Outcomes 3N S SCREAM 3/43N S Precision by Free3N S Unassuming club3N S Malfoir3N S IMPrecision3N S Zelandakh3N S OC Precision3N S mycroft 3N S New Big Club (2N auction)3N S Silent Club (North opens 2D)3N S relknes (2N auction)3N S Moscito (North opens 2D)3N S Jasmine Club (1N auction)2N S Meckwell Light (2N auction) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
straube Posted January 20, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 You are South and 4th seat. V vs NV. Uncontested auction. Imps .......................632.......................Q984.......................AJT95.......................5?...............................................??...............................................??...............................................??...............................................?........................AKJ........................K53........................82........................AKJ62 SCREAM uses its 3/4 structure .......P1C-1D, 16+, 2-4 QPs2N-3C, 20, Puppet Stayman3N........no major I upgraded that hand, but a more conservative auction would get to the same result. .......P1C-1D, 16+, 2-4 QPs1N-2S, 18-19, size ask3C-3D, strong, short clubs3N Hopefully we can all bear through these less interesting deals. We're also looking at right-siding issues, information leak, as well as whether a standard contract is reached. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted January 20, 2013 Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 We play 2NT as 20-21. This hand may be upgraded, but it doesn't matter much for the end result. 2NT-3♣ (20-21 bal ; Muppet Stayman)3♥-3♠ (no 4 or 5 card M ; puppet to 3NT)3NT-pass (obligated ; meant as signoff) Alternatively:1♣-1♦ (16+ ; 0-7 or GF 4441)1NT-2NT (18-19 bal ; Puppet Stayman)3♣-3♠ (no 5 card M ; 4♥ and implying 3 card ♠)3NT-pass (no fit ; ok) Or if North is afraid of ♣s:1♣-1♦ (16+ ; 0-7 or GF 4441)1NT-2♣ (18-19 bal ; Stayman)2♦-3♣ (no 4 card M ; puppet to 3♦ to show a shortness)3♦-3NT (obligated ; short ♣, no slam interest)pass (not afraid of ♣) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siegmund Posted January 20, 2013 Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 Unassuming club: 1C-1H2C-3D (19+ any / 6-9 or 13+ with Qxxx+ diamonds -- 2D would show 10-12 range)3NT -- this is opener's first chance to support hearts so he ought to have 4 if he bids 3H here, and most responder hands with a fifth heart would have bid 2H over 2C. Malfoir: 1C-1D (0-7)1H-2C (artif 19+ / waiting 5-7) 2NT-3NT (19-20 no 4CM / to play)or, if opener chooses to call this a club hand rather than a balanced hand1C-1D3C-3D (19-23ish club one-suiter / 4-7ish, 5 diamonds)3NT Can imagine about 3 different auctions possible in Polish. Will let our other polish club contributor pick one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hilver Posted January 20, 2013 Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 Hilversumse Klaveren (HK) 2NT - 3♣3NT Explanation:2NT = 19 - 20 HCP, balanced3♣ = Puppet Stayman3NT = no 4- or 5-card in the majors. Jan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbforster Posted January 20, 2013 Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 Silent Club: North is a 2♦ preempt for us, 4-9(-) with 5+ diamonds and a 4+ major. Either way, that auction leads to 3N by south. Depending on preempting style, 2nd seat Vul might mean South expects a sound preempt hand and forces to game. Otherwise he can invite, which is a more awkward auction but works out this time (might have to play 5-2 3♦ or miss a 5-3 major fit if opener is 5/5). 2♦-3♣ preempt; art GF ask3♦-3♥ hearts; how many?3♠-3N four; game 2♦-2N preempt; invitational ask3♥-3N max with 4-5 hearts; game If for some reason partner forgets to preempt or this was a second seat South hand instead of fourth, 1♣-1♦ strong; most 0-7, some GF1N-2♣ 19-21 bal; stayman2♦-3N no major; game In the NT auction, 3♦ after stayman would be the same shape but slam invitational values (~10+), which is possible in original 1♦ reply. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
relknes Posted January 20, 2013 Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 You are South and 4th seat. V vs NV. Uncontested auction. Imps .......................632.......................Q984.......................AJT95.......................5?...............................................??...............................................??...............................................??...............................................?........................AKJ........................K53........................82........................AKJ62 2N - 3♣3♦ - 3NP I don't think I need to translate here... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted January 20, 2013 Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 Playing my preferred MOSCITO variant, this is a 2♦ opening showing a preemptive hand with 4+ Diamonds and 4+ cards in either major I would game force with the South hand, leading to the following auction 2♦ - 2NT3♣ - 3♦3♥ - 3N 2NT is a relay and establishes a GF opposite any maximum opening3♣ shows 4+ Hearts and a max3♥ shows precisely 4 Hearts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
straube Posted January 20, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 Silent Club: North is a 2♦ preempt for us, 4-9(-) with 5+ diamonds and a 4+ major. Either way, that auction leads to 3N by south. Depending on preempting style, 2nd seat Vul might mean South expects a sound preempt hand and forces to game. Otherwise he can invite, which is a more awkward auction but works out this time (might have to play 5-2 3♦ or miss a 5-3 major fit if opener is 5/5). 2♦-3♣ preempt; art GF ask3♦-3♥ hearts; how many?3♠-3N four; game 2♦-2N preempt; invitational ask3♥-3N max with 4-5 hearts; game If for some reason partner forgets to preempt or this was a second seat South hand instead of fourth, 1♣-1♦ strong; most 0-7, some GF1N-2♣ 19-21 bal; stayman2♦-3N no major; game In the NT auction, 3♦ after stayman would be the same shape but slam invitational values (~10+), which is possible in original 1♦ reply. If folks supply an auction for a third seat opening, I will choose to use that because I'm trying to compare strong club systems. I see many will preempt this hand 2D North but not everyone will...just as many preempted 3C on a prior hand but not everyone will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted January 20, 2013 Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 I would open 2N which is 20-21 in 4th seat but w/e. 2N 3C3D 3N Just for fun though, if I opened 1C: 1C 1D1N 2C2D 3C (3C=diamonds)3N edit: Sorry I'm an idiot was thinking north bid 1H in which case 3C=diamonds lol. If north bid 1D then he would bid 3D over 2D, and south would bid 3N. For the record I would respond 1D not 1H with the north hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted January 20, 2013 Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 IMprecision: 1♣ - 1♠ (strong, 5-8 balanced or 5+ hcp with primary diamonds and 2-6RP)2♣ - 2♥ (GF relay, 4♥ and 5+♦)2♠ - 3♦ (relay, 3451)3NT - Pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted January 20, 2013 Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 If folks supply an auction for a third seat opening, I will choose to use that because I'm trying to compare strong club systems. I see many will preempt this hand 2D North but not everyone will...just as many preempted 3C on a prior hand but not everyone will. It doesn't work like that. The only reason I'm able to get away with my third / 4th seat opening club structure is the number of hand types that are excluded because they are preempts in first / second... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
straube Posted January 20, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 It doesn't work like that. The only reason I'm able to get away with my third / 4th seat opening club structure is the number of hand types that are excluded because they are preempts in first / second... I understand. I'm not asking you not to preempt. I'm saying that if you furnish an alternate auction where you don't preempt, I'll be using that one. Some folks are offering two auctions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rbforster Posted January 20, 2013 Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 I understand. I'm not asking you not to preempt. I'm saying that if you furnish an alternate auction where you don't preempt, I'll be using that one. Some folks are offering two auctions.I was providing my alternative non-preempt auction in case people were interested, but the North hand is a 100% preempt for us so. You should use the.preempt auction (although I suppose it doesn't matter this time). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antonylee Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 Can imagine about 3 different auctions possible in Polish. Will let our other polish club contributor pick one.I doubt you imagined that my actual auction would have been2♥-2N (8-11 exactly 4♥ unbalanced, 0-3♠; asking)3♦-3N (natural min; to play)but this is not really Polish club, so I'll proposeP-1♣ (Polish)1♥-2♦ (7+ 4+♥; 18+ 3+♥)2♥-2N (7-bad 9 exactly 4♥; natural)3♦-3N (natural; natural)instead.One option would have been to jump directly to 3N over 2♥, as I don't think there are that many hands where 4♥ on a moysian will be best (what do you think?) and this auction tends to indicate diamond weakness in declarer's hand.Another option would be to play 3♦ over 2♦ as 7-11 4♥-5+♦ (so P-1♣; 1♥-2♦; 3♦-3N) but I play this as a max (9-11) instead (didn't put a lot of thought in it, perhaps the other way is better).Did you think of something else? By the way, any reason why the imprecision auction doesn't jump to 3N directly over 2♥? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
awm Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 By the way, any reason why the imprecision auction doesn't jump to 3N directly over 2♥? We could, but at that point really weird distributions (i.e. 1471) were still possible. Slam does seem playable opposite something like x Axxx KQxxxxx x for example. I suppose that might've opened in front of the strong club but then again it might not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 #11. You are South and 4th seat. V vs NV. Uncontested auction. Imps Jasmine ClubNorth ♠ 632 ♥ Q984 ♦ AJT95 ♣ 5: _P 2♣ 2♥South ♠ AKJ ♥ K53 ♦ 82 ♣ AKJ62: 1N 2♦ 3N1N = Nat 16-18 Flat In seats 3 & 4 (Slight underbid).2♣ = Lesage Stayman (Just an experiment).2♦ = Art, No 4 M. May have 5 ♠.2♥ = Relay.3N = Max Denies 5 ♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 P... - 1♣ = 15+ nat/bal or 18+ any1♦ = most non-GF... - 1♥ = 18-20 any or 23+ bal1♠ = relay... - 1NT = 18-20 bal2♣ = Puppet Stayman... - 2♦ = no 5 card major2♠ = 4 hearts, <4 spades... - 3♣ = max, <4 hearts, 4+ clubs3NT The alternative for North would be to bid 3♦ over 2♦ showing 5+ diamonds. Either route ends up in the same contract here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FM75 Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 OCP 1♣ - 1♦ 0-71♥ - 1♠ 19+ balanced or will describe later, relay1N - 2♣ 19-21, stayman - does not promise 4cM2♦ - 3N Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mycroft Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 Boring for us: 1♣-1♦;1NT (17-19 VUL)-2♣;2♦-3NT (I think this hand is a "17+7"; if we invite, of course partner will accept). If I treat opener as a 20 (reasonable, and better than I are doing it as a matter of course): 1♣-1♦;1♥-1♠;1NT (20-21 BAL)-2♣;2♦-3NT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 The only reason I'm able to get away with my third / 4th seat opening club structure is the number of hand types that are excluded because they are preempts in first / second...Isn't that a bit exaggerated? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_clown Posted January 23, 2013 Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 Precision1♣-1♦1♥-1♠1NT-2♣ -2♦ (17-19 bal, stayman....)3N Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted January 24, 2013 Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 Jasmine ClubNorth ♠ 632 ♥ Q984 ♦ AJT95 ♣ 5: _P 2♣ 2♥South ♠ AKJ ♥ K53 ♦ 82 ♣ AKJ62: 1N 2♦ 3N1N = Art 16-18 Flat In seats 3 & 4 (Slight underbid).2♣ = Lesage Stayman (Just an experiment).2♦ = Art, No 4 M. May have 5 ♠.2♥ = Relay.3N = Max Denies 5 ♠ What's the normal auction without the weird downgrade? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nige1 Posted January 24, 2013 Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 #11. You are South and 4th seat. V vs NV. Uncontested auction. Imps What's the normal auction without the weird downgrade? Free is right. I've miscounted my points again :(. Jasmine ClubNorth ♠ 632 ♥ Q984 ♦ AJT95 ♣ 5: _P 1♦ 2♣ 2♥3NSouth ♠ AKJ ♥ K53 ♦ 82 ♣ AKJ62: 1♣ 1N 3N 2♦2N1♣ = Art 16+1♦ = Neg, 0-7.1N = 18-20, Flat (In 3rd & 4th seat, 1N opener = Nat 16-18, flat).2♣ = Lesage Stayman (Just an experiment).2♦ = Art, No 4 M. May have 5 ♠.2♥ = Relay.2N = Min Denies 5 ♠3N = NatMarks, IMO: 3N = 10. Partscores = 5. 4♥, 5♦ = 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kungsgeten Posted January 24, 2013 Report Share Posted January 24, 2013 You are South and 4th seat. V vs NV. Uncontested auction. Imps .......................632.......................Q984.......................AJT95.......................5?...............................................??...............................................??...............................................??...............................................?........................AKJ........................K53........................82........................AKJ62 Pass 2000North will "open" with pass (0-7 or 17+), then in fourth seat:1C (0-7 or 17+)-1D (0-7);1NT (18-20)-3C (asking for five card major);3D (no 5 card major) - 3S (4 hearts);3NT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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