Phil Posted January 20, 2013 Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 Qxx xx AQTxxx Qx 1N - (2♣) - ? 2♣ is clubs and a higher suit. You play systems on, of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted January 20, 2013 Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 3 nizzle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted January 20, 2013 Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 3NT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fromageGB Posted January 20, 2013 Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 X. Transfer to diamonds. Why do I want to play "systems on"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fromageGB Posted January 20, 2013 Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 Playing "systems on", 3♣ transfer to diamonds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted January 20, 2013 Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 Your choice of whichever is the forcing way of bidding 3♦ or whichever version of 3N denies a stop in your version of Lebensohl. If you play completely systems on, transfer to ♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted January 20, 2013 Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 What is the plan after transferring to diamonds? Bidding 3N to show a slam try lol? Or does that show a partial stopper in clubs these days? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted January 20, 2013 Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 Just let them lead something. Even if partner has no A or K or J or Txxx of clubs, the odds of making 5D is really low. And since they have a 2 suiter they will often not lead a club, or they might lead low from AKxxx, etc. And, AFAIK, transferring to diamonds and bidding 3N does not show no club stopper. Edit: And even if partner has xxx clubs, and they lead a club, sometimes clubs are 4-4 and we have the rest of the tricks. I really don't get trying to avoid 3N with Qx of clubs when they show a 2 suiter, even if there was some way to do it. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted January 20, 2013 Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 Transferring to diamonds is terrible for another reason - it gives them a chance to double 3♣. We could be off the heart or club suits and we have now guaranteed they will find the best lead. A direct raise makes the overcaller guess. The bottom line is that exploration, even if it were possible, is a mistake, since the information we gain is unlikely to help us, but will often aid our opponents. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted January 20, 2013 Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 Transferring to diamonds is terrible for another reason - it gives them a chance to double 3♣. We could be off the heart or club suits and we have now guaranteed they will find the best lead. A direct raise makes the overcaller guess. The bottom line is that exploration, even if it were possible, is a mistake, since the information we gain is unlikely to help us, but will often aid our opponents. In USA transfer to diamonds usually means 2N. But it does let LHO raise to 3C. Ofc we could use clarification from Phil, he didn't even say he played transfers as his system :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted January 20, 2013 Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 In USA transfer to diamonds usually means 2N. But it does let LHO raise to 3C. Ofc we could use clarification from Phil, he didn't even say he played transfers as his system :P Yep - missed the "system on" bit. Was thinking of Rubensohl type auction (although I still play 2NT as diamonds). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted January 21, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 You can assume your system. 4 suit transfers, Walsh stuff or w/e. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 With all systems on, I agree with JL on the 3NT Convention suggesting we play in 3NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chasetb Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 Oh no, Bob Hamman is already having a negative influence on JLall - he has him following laws now! :rolleyes: Seriously, bid 3NT and it's not even close. I bet we can make 9 tricks before they can make 5, and if we can't, I highly doubt we can make 11 anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fromageGB Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 My plan was transfer to diamonds and then rebid 3NT (neither shows nor denies a stop, but suggests a place to play, nor (with opposition bidding) suggesting a slam), which lets partner make a decision if they bid over that. I am content for them to lead a club, so do not mind a lead directional double, and that is the most likely lead anyway without a double. It may help partner decide to take it out to diamonds when he has nothing in clubs. I stop in 4♦ if he bids it. I think this is far better than 3NT direct, which puts me in a terrible place when they bid 4♣. Do I then pass, double, or bid diamonds? Much better to let opener make that decision, knowing my hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 I am content for them to lead a club, so do not mind a lead directional double, and that is the most likely lead anyway without a double. Absent a double, would they not now lead a heart? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fromageGB Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 Or a spade. Certainly possible, but I don't have the option in my methods of making a natural forcing ♦ bid and following it with 3NT. I want to bid 3NT, and I want to show the diamonds so partner can play there if he prefers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 My guess is that we are off the heart suit and that over a transfer to spades partner would have superaccepted to 3 with AKJx Jx KJx Kxxx getting us to 4 (breaking 5-1, of course). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve2005 Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 We play systems on over 2♣ so:3♣ (transfer to ♦ or 2N if that is your transfer) 3♦3♥ empty doubleton or slam try with 0-1 ♥now opener can judge to play in 3N or 5♦with a real mess endup in 4♦maybe with AKxx of ♠ bids 3♠ and find 4-3 4♠ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mycroft Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 X (puppet to 2♦) then 3♦ NAT INV. What, I'm not playing a weak NT? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr1303 Posted January 22, 2013 Report Share Posted January 22, 2013 What's double (Stayman) then 3D? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fromageGB Posted January 22, 2013 Report Share Posted January 22, 2013 If you are using X as Stayman, then it should be whatever it means for you after normal Stayman. 5 card diamonds, other major? But I don't like Stayman after their bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted January 22, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2013 I suppose the ♣Q is enough to chance 3NT. Imagine the Q somewhere else. Maybe we even have a stiff club. It seems to me there needs to be a solution to this. If the overcall were 2♦, 2♥ or 2♠, we'd conduct a Lebensohl auction in our sleep. The fact we've chosen to play 'systems on' means we are out of our comfort zone a little. I suppose if we had 44 in the majors without a club stop, we could double and cue 3♣. Some possible ideas would be transferring into their suit as a stopper ask. Or, transferring to diamonds and bidding 3N seems like a workeable solution even if that means giving up on our mild slam try. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 27, 2013 Report Share Posted January 27, 2013 Phil when you have GF diamonds I use a neat convention called 3♦ natural GF. After that partner will show stuff accordinly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted January 27, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2013 Phil when you have GF diamonds I use a neat convention called 3♦ natural GF. After that partner will show stuff accordinly I suppose you play everything else natural too over 2♣ intervention? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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