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Phil

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Just let them lead something. Even if partner has no A or K or J or Txxx of clubs, the odds of making 5D is really low. And since they have a 2 suiter they will often not lead a club, or they might lead low from AKxxx, etc.

 

And, AFAIK, transferring to diamonds and bidding 3N does not show no club stopper.

 

Edit: And even if partner has xxx clubs, and they lead a club, sometimes clubs are 4-4 and we have the rest of the tricks. I really don't get trying to avoid 3N with Qx of clubs when they show a 2 suiter, even if there was some way to do it.

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Transferring to diamonds is terrible for another reason - it gives them a chance to double 3.

 

We could be off the heart or club suits and we have now guaranteed they will find the best lead. A direct raise makes the overcaller guess.

 

The bottom line is that exploration, even if it were possible, is a mistake, since the information we gain is unlikely to help us, but will often aid our opponents.

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Transferring to diamonds is terrible for another reason - it gives them a chance to double 3.

 

We could be off the heart or club suits and we have now guaranteed they will find the best lead. A direct raise makes the overcaller guess.

 

The bottom line is that exploration, even if it were possible, is a mistake, since the information we gain is unlikely to help us, but will often aid our opponents.

 

In USA transfer to diamonds usually means 2N. But it does let LHO raise to 3C. Ofc we could use clarification from Phil, he didn't even say he played transfers as his system :P

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In USA transfer to diamonds usually means 2N. But it does let LHO raise to 3C. Ofc we could use clarification from Phil, he didn't even say he played transfers as his system :P

 

Yep - missed the "system on" bit. Was thinking of Rubensohl type auction (although I still play 2NT as diamonds).

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Oh no, Bob Hamman is already having a negative influence on JLall - he has him following laws now! :rolleyes:

 

Seriously, bid 3NT and it's not even close. I bet we can make 9 tricks before they can make 5, and if we can't, I highly doubt we can make 11 anyway.

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My plan was transfer to diamonds and then rebid 3NT (neither shows nor denies a stop, but suggests a place to play, nor (with opposition bidding) suggesting a slam), which lets partner make a decision if they bid over that. I am content for them to lead a club, so do not mind a lead directional double, and that is the most likely lead anyway without a double. It may help partner decide to take it out to diamonds when he has nothing in clubs. I stop in 4 if he bids it.

 

I think this is far better than 3NT direct, which puts me in a terrible place when they bid 4. Do I then pass, double, or bid diamonds? Much better to let opener make that decision, knowing my hand.

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We play systems on over 2 so:

3 (transfer to or 2N if that is your transfer) 3

3 empty doubleton or slam try with 0-1

now opener can judge to play in 3N or 5

with a real mess endup in 4

maybe with AKxx of bids 3 and find 4-3 4

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I suppose the Q is enough to chance 3NT. Imagine the Q somewhere else. Maybe we even have a stiff club.

 

It seems to me there needs to be a solution to this. If the overcall were 2, 2 or 2, we'd conduct a Lebensohl auction in our sleep. The fact we've chosen to play 'systems on' means we are out of our comfort zone a little. I suppose if we had 44 in the majors without a club stop, we could double and cue 3.

 

Some possible ideas would be transferring into their suit as a stopper ask. Or, transferring to diamonds and bidding 3N seems like a workeable solution even if that means giving up on our mild slam try.

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Phil when you have GF diamonds I use a neat convention called 3 natural GF. After that partner will show stuff accordinly

 

I suppose you play everything else natural too over 2 intervention?

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