jillybean Posted January 20, 2013 Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 Ignore the title [hv=pc=n&s=saq962hqd963cakqt&d=s&v=e&b=3&a=1spp2h?]133|200[/hv] What's your bid? MP NV vs. V This is a hand from a Sectional here this weekend. My partner and I just won the 0-750 session with a 62.98% game :)but as always, there's a few hands where we could have done better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanoi5 Posted January 20, 2013 Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 Congrats on the win. I'd double with that. 3♣ looks interesting but I'm probably on lead, so it's not that neccessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pigpenz Posted January 20, 2013 Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 Double i have support for other two suits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArtK78 Posted January 20, 2013 Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 Double seems clear. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguahombre Posted January 20, 2013 Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 Pass Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve2005 Posted January 20, 2013 Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 Double. sure would prefer a ♦ honor and less in ♣ but life isnt perfect. you have a wonderful hand with 3+ support for both minors, compete.If partner leaves X in you will not be unhappy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted January 20, 2013 Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 I'd pass ,waiting for the right time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Siegmund Posted January 20, 2013 Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 One more 3AM doubler here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jillybean Posted January 20, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 [hv=pc=n&s=saq962hqd963cakqt&w=sjt43h9d875cj9732&n=s8hjt7654dqt42c84&e=sk75hak832dakjc65&d=s&v=e&b=3&a=1spp2h3cppp]399|300[/hv] -3, not our best result. Had the auction gone 1♠ (P) 1N* (2♥) P (P) X is double penalty? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve2005 Posted January 20, 2013 Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 Had the auction gone 1♠ (P) 1N* (2♥) P (P) X is double penalty?Double = takeout i thinkresponders hand to weak for 1N.your too strong to pass 2♥ for same reasons your too strong not to balance on previous auction but even more so as partner has shown some vales(which they don't have)I'd double 2♥ hopefully for takeout, i presume this is a forcing NT due to * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted January 20, 2013 Report Share Posted January 20, 2013 Had the auction gone 1♠ (P) 1N* (2♥) P (P) X is double penalty?That Dbl would be takeout for me. Btw, the original problem is an easy Dbl imo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 Double is fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 Double is fine? I think it is not a rationalization proposal with no cure-no pay,even no tommorrow !The partner have passed after you open 1s. No signs of any party indicate they can be able to find the optimal contract, including the good fit in any suit.With a misfit bid cautiously; with a good fit be bold. Double is not a good action,it is very easier to lead us to chasing a poor contract with a misfit, so I have to say that pass is always an option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 Double is fine, if the hand is not fitting, we will slaughter 2 ♥ and if it is fitting, we will find the fit too. 3 ♣ is too unilateral, pass shows a complete other hand... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kenberg Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 I have now seen the hands but I am certain I also would have doubled. Also, with the North hand, I would have passed just as he did, I would not have bid 1NT. May I ask how folks think the auction would have gone if all four players were clones of themselves? i have come to agree that 1♠-Pass-Pass-1NT should be a wide ranging bid because doubling and then bidding 2NT gets you too high. But this East hand is too much for me, even with my broad ranging views. As to the actual 2♥, if I held the East hand and 1♠ were opened on my right, I would bid 2♥. But as a balncing action this again seems like too weak an action. Some say a balancing overcall is necessarily quite weak. I don't agree with that, but this East hand is too much for 2♥ in the pass out seat. So, with my four clones at the table, I suspect it starts something like: 1♠-pass-pass-X2♣-pass-?-? The 2♣ bid in this auction seems far more natural to me than the 3♣ in the given auction. As to the question marks, I just am not sure. I generally follow the advice of not rescuing a partner who has not been doubled, but when I have two cards in my partner's second suit and a six card suit of my own, and I have passed first round so there is no ambiguity about my strength, it sure would be tempting to call 2♥. And then what happens? Alternatively, if North passes at his second turn, what should East do? I expect I would bid 2♥ even though 2♣X would be a good EW score, or I expect it would. I realize I am addressing issues not in the OP. But it seems that the answer to the original question about South's second call has been given as X by a large majority, and I do think the hand presents interesting questions about balancing and subsequent actions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the_clown Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 I would double and also I wouldnt have passed 1♠. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quiddity Posted January 21, 2013 Report Share Posted January 21, 2013 Double seems right at this vul. It is not without risk, but the potential reward of pushing them up a level and setting them is worth it. 3C is not good - partner can have lots of shapes with 2-3 spades and 2-3 clubs. I think North's initial pass was pretty bad; the hand is worth maybe 5 tricks in a heart contract and maybe zero in spades or on defense. The pass could lead to a missed game if South has a good hand, or even a mediocre hand with a heart fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted January 23, 2013 Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 Double is fine? I think it is not a rationalization proposal with no cure-no pay,even no tommorrow !The partner have passed after you open 1s. No signs of any party indicate they can be able to find the optimal contract, including the good fit in any suit.With a misfit bid cautiously; with a good fit be bold. Double is not a good action,it is very easier to lead us to chasing a poor contract with a misfit, so I have to say that pass is always an option. Pass is not an option! Who says you have a misfit to start with? Who says partner does not have a penalty x? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted January 23, 2013 Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 Pass is not an option! Who says you have a misfit to start with? Who says partner does not have a penalty x? IMO,Pass is an option! Who can be able to confirm you have a fit perfectly? Who can able to win after a double ?I disagree agressive double bid,The bridge is a probability of the game,and we have observed that too many contract at 2 of level can be made after double in the world match.The advantage of pass is to avoid chasing a poor contract .Don't double a partscore . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted January 23, 2013 Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 Pass is not an option! Who says you have a misfit to start with? Who says partner does not have a penalty x? For example: Supposing partner's hand without 6 card H,but with 5 card ratty D and 4 card yarborough H( partner have passed out),your final contract is 3D,because all of your honores hidden in the other three side suites, who can be able to say 3D is a good playable contract according to the Law of total tricks? Who can say playing 3D can be easy to get 9 tricks?but it must be a very hard work.The advantage of pass is to avoid chasing a poor contract .The defense at ease is also a good idea.Pass is always an option. Best Regards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted January 23, 2013 Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 According to your logic you better do not open these borderline hands....They could have doubled you in 1 ♠ and you will get just 2 Spades and two club tricks for -3 doubled... Yes partner can have a yarb, but this yarb could be xxx,xxxx,xx,xxxx and you make 2 ♠. Or he holds 5 clubs and you are fine in 3 Clubs. or he holds hearts and you get a juicy penalty. To play him for the worst possible hand is not likely to succeed in the long run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted January 23, 2013 Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 Too optimistic,this hand is more suitable for defense than playing I think,Don't spend time beating on a wall, hoping to transform it into a door. http://www.bridgebase.com/forums/public/style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted January 23, 2013 Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 For example: Supposing partner's handFor every hand you come up with where double is worse than pass, there are two where double works better. Even in your hand picked example, there are no guarantees that 3♦ will not provide a better score than 2♥. Now compare all the hands where passing is a complete disaster. who can be able to say 3D is a good playable contract according to the Law of total tricks?To be honest with you, I could not care tuppence whether the contract is good according to LOTTy; I care whether it is good in practise. Who can say playing 3D can be easy to get 9 tricks?but it must be a very hard work.8 tricks are plenty if 2♥ was making, no? This is really easy - we have a take-out hand and good reason to think that letting them play 2♥ undoubled is not ideal for our side. It is not a sure thing by any means but the balance of probabilities is on the side of the doublers. Sometimes doubling is riskier than on this hand but you have to do it anyway because passing would be even more risky. If you only compete when you are certain that you will land in an A1 contract then you are going to get robbed from...a lot. The advantage of pass is to avoid chasing a poor contract .The defense at ease is also a good idea.Are you sure 2♥ is not already a poor contract for our side? What if partner only has 3 hearts, or two - or do your opponents always choose to follow The Law? My defence would absolutely not be at ease on the deal because I would not play partner for this hand. Pass is always an option.Literally you are correct. You can always pass at your turn to call. But pass is often not the best option. This is one of those occasions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 23, 2013 Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 lycier you are overthinking bad scenarios, you can land in terrible contracts (worse shape for partner is 1543 BTW), but most often you will land in a decent spot. Sometimes you open 1♦ and go for -1100, it doesn't change that you should still open the bidding with 12 balanced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wank Posted January 23, 2013 Report Share Posted January 23, 2013 responders hand to weak for 1N. lolz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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