32519 Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 This hand came up at our local club last night. Is there a way to legitimately find the ♠ slam after the opponents pre-empted on the 3-level?The actual bidding is included.[hv=pc=n&s=sak84ha2da64cakj7&w=sq72ht9875d87c852&n=sjt65hkj643dtcq93&e=s93hqdkqj9532ct64&d=e&v=n&b=2&a=3ddp3hp3nppp]399|300[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cyberyeti Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 (3♦)-X-4♦(pick a major)-6♠ if N overbids a touch, but it is only a touch in that N knows S is likely to hold a big hand rather than a 13 count with a singleton diamond in that W/R opp hasn't raised. I sympathise with your auction and expect it to be duplicated a lot, it could be worse, a 4♦ opener probably causes you to play 4♥. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 Hi, the first question is - how to find the spade fit. The only way I see is, when North bids 4D, but that would force to game, and I dont thinkthe North hand is worth a game force, but this is a judgement call / and overbidding maybe better on average. 3NT showed 20+ and a bal. hand, ..., but I dont think, I would find a bid over 3NT. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Codo Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 If you look at a 4414 hand and partner doubles them and they are non vul against not, you know that partner has a monster and not necessary just a take out...So 4 ♦ is no overbid at all with that nice shape. Do you really think that partner may just hold AKxx, Axxx,x,Jxxx? And even then game is not hopeless.... Over 4 ♦ it is getting murky- south has grand slam visions, but how to proceed? Maybe 6 ♠ is the practical bid, but how to know that partner does not hold the queen of spades extra? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32519 Posted January 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 (3♦)-X-4♦(pick a major)-6♠ if N overbids a touch, but it is only a touch in that N knows S is likely to hold a big hand rather than a 13 count with a singleton diamond in that W/R opp hasn't raised. I sympathise with your auction and expect it to be duplicated a lot, it could be worse, a 4♦ opener probably causes you to play 4♥.I like your suggestion of 4♦ as "pick a major." The North hand is worth 11 points in total; 7 in HCP, 3 for the singleton ♦ and 1 for the 5th ♥. But it will be a very brave North to bid the slam directly. Any other way to get there more slowly, stopping in 5♠ if necessary?That said, your analysis of no move by West despite W/R would indicate that West has little and South has the bulk of the HCP is good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P_Marlowe Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 If West is broke, he will only move, if he has a reasonable fit, 3+.We are short, if West is short as well, this means our partner has 3+. If East play agressive preempts, e.g. we play a 3 diamond preempt showes 8 looser hand, i.e. an average weak two would be ok for us, than West will pass with a reasonable hand,a reasonable hand includes opening bid strength. So - I would not read to much in Wests silence. Looking at the East hand, the East / West partnership seems to play solid preempts, somewould open 4D with the East hand, see Cyberveti's comment, that you got lucky to have a chance to end up in spade. That being said, I am open to to let others convince me, that 4D is a better bid than 3H. With kind regardsMarlowe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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