HeartA Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 [hv=d=e&s=saqxxhxdqxcaqjxxx]133|100|Scoring: IMPEast opens 1H, what would you do? dbl or 2C?[/hv] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Jlall Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 2C Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 Double. I wouldn't like if it went 1H 2C 3H pp....?? or 1H 2C 2H p3H..?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 What I would like to bid is a polish (raptor) 1NT.. if you will not let me, or if my partner doesn't play it, I will bid 2♣. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 Raptor freak... lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junyi_zhu Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 [hv=d=e&s=saqxxhxdqxcaqjxxx]133|100|Scoring: IMPEast opens 1H, what would you do? dbl or 2C?[/hv] 1S if you have partnership agreement to overcall shorter spades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 Double. I wouldn't like if it went 1H 2C 3H pp....?? or 1H 2C 2H p3H..?? I wouldn't mind it if it went that way. This hand is clearly strong enough now to double for takeout. It puts the emphasis on the clubs and spades here, with much better clubs. Of course, us raptor freaks have to put in a word fro our system here (1H-1NT-2/3H)...where partner can with both minors compete over these bids with some values by bidding ♣s as pass/correct, and with spades, knows it is safe to bid spades. And if parnter passes 2/3H, I can now double for take out or bid clubs, knowing we will not miss a spade fit if we have it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hrothgar Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 [hv=d=e&s=saqxxhxdqxcaqjxxx]133|100|Scoring: IMPEast opens 1H, what would you do? dbl or 2C?[/hv] easy 2♣ bid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pclayton Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 2♠; showing ♠ + ♣; equal or longer ♣ and 5-7 AKQ losers. Not playing OS, I'm stuck with 2♣. I'd like a little more to make an offshape dbl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whereagles Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 Double. I wouldn't like if it went 1H 2C 3H pp....?? or 1H 2C 2H p3H..?? I wouldn't mind it if it went that way. This hand is clearly strong enough now to double for takeout. It puts the emphasis on the clubs and spades here, with much better clubs. True. However, double would make it easier for pard to bid spades straight away (especially important if they bid up to 4H). It would also make it easier for pard to overbid in diamonds, though :rolleyes: By the way, what would it be if you balance 1H 2C 3H pp...3S Not playing raptor it could be an offensive 6-4 (say KQJx x xx KQJxxx) or 6-5 with wimpy spades. But how about if you're playing raptor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeartA Posted December 14, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 I forgot to mention that I was playing with a pick-up pd, who claimed herself as "World Class". We had only played 10 to 20 boards. No gadgets (like raptor, I don't play it anyway) were discussed, except "standard" conventions. This is her holding. The actual bidding went: East South West North(me)1♥ dbl 2♥ 3♥4♥ pass pass dblpass 5♣ pass 5♦ I had ♠KJx, ♥Axx, ♦xxxxx, ♣KT. I corrected 5C to 5D, thinking her hands should be 5-4-3-1 (5♣) or so. The other table played 4S and made 11 tricks. 5C was perfect while 5D went down 2. Who was to blame, and percentage? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
han Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 I played raptor for a while, but this kind of hand didn't come up during this time. What did come up was the strong notrump, several times. We fairly quickly decided to give up on raptor. It sure would be nice to have it available now. Otherwise I'd bid 2C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 I played raptor for a while, but this kind of hand didn't come up during this time. What did come up was the strong notrump, several times. We fairly quickly decided to give up on raptor. It sure would be nice to have it available now. Otherwise I'd bid 2C. The problem hand with raptor is the balanced 15 to 17. You have to double and then rebid NT. This can be a big problem if your partner is going to leap to four spades over your takeout double of, say 1H, on a hand that would naturally bid 1NT without lots of spades. This is one reason why I like the ETM Victory response scale to takeout double. Partner will jump to the two level only with five card suit and basically 6 to 10 points. But I like this response schedule without raptor as well. As far as raptor not coming up, here I think you are wrong. Everytime you overcall two of a minor, Raptor came up. Sure, you didn't bid 1NT, but guess what. You will not have four cards in a major when you make this minor bid. This is part of the raptor convention as well... THAT is when you don't use the bid, you still convey important information to partner and opponent. Take the hand in this thread for example.. if you were playing raptor, that would put a huge spin on the entire auction, including the 4♥ bid. If raptor was just 1NT with major-and-longer-minor it would hardly be worth playing. Butafter your 1NT overcall, your partner can apply a lot of pressure if he can make a paradox raise.. consider... (1D)-1NT-(dbl)-3S Where 3S is spades with club support, or... (1D)-1NT-(dbl)-3H Where 3H is hearts with either spades or club support... you might play 3H, if opener passes. I have even passed this bid when holidng weak hand and the black suits not vul... IF nothing else, this stuff is fun.. and it is really fun over their strong 1♣ auctions, where my 1S shows spade and a minor and my 1NT shows hearts and minor. Ben ben Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoob Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 [hv=d=e&s=saqxxhxdqxcaqjxxx]133|100|Scoring: IMPEast opens 1H, what would you do? dbl or 2C?[/hv] Double Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 2♣, and bid ♠ afterwards. Otherwise I'll probably be unable to show my hand properly... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted December 14, 2004 Report Share Posted December 14, 2004 I find doubling with this hand kinda horrible, but also introducing a xxxxx suit at the 5 level is worng. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cf_John0 Posted December 15, 2004 Report Share Posted December 15, 2004 Agree with those who dbl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted December 15, 2004 Report Share Posted December 15, 2004 Agree with those who bid 2C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearmum Posted December 15, 2004 Report Share Posted December 15, 2004 2♣ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vang Posted December 15, 2004 Report Share Posted December 15, 2004 as junyi_zhu suggested, 1S might be an option. i choose 2C, but i remember Marshall Miles is a strong believer in this kind of (1S) overcall. see first chapter in book "Competitive Bidding in the 21st Century ". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted December 15, 2004 Report Share Posted December 15, 2004 2C, then bid s. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted December 15, 2004 Report Share Posted December 15, 2004 I forgot to mention that I was playing with a pick-up pd, who claimed herself as "World Class". We had only played 10 to 20 boards. No gadgets (like raptor, I don't play it anyway) were discussed, except "standard" conventions. This is her holding. The actual bidding went: East South West North(me)1♥ dbl 2♥ 3♥4♥ pass pass dblpass 5♣ pass 5♦ I had ♠KJx, ♥Axx, ♦xxxxx, ♣KT. I corrected 5C to 5D, thinking her hands should be 5-4-3-1 (5♣) or so. The other table played 4S and made 11 tricks. 5C was perfect while 5D went down 2. Who was to blame, and percentage? I think both 5C and 5D are questionable. Pd should pass 4HX. 3H is kind of waste bid, pd is marked with short heart and I dont think he will have Qx doubleton, he is more likely to have singleton. I like 3D after 2H. After LHO's 4H, pd is basicly stuck. So i think he should pass ur dbl. IF he wants to bid 5C, he shld do it after 4H immediately. But again, I wouldnt remove to 5D, broke suit, pd didnt promise fit either. Always let pd to play what he bids, at least u will win the post-mortem war:) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flytoox Posted December 15, 2004 Report Share Posted December 15, 2004 What I would like to bid is a polish (raptor) 1NT.. if you will not let me, or if my partner doesn't play it, I will bid 2♣. Ben, I think even play Raptor, perhaps it is better to bid 2C here. IF it is 5c 4s then would be ideal for raptor. what about 7c 4s? just curious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inquiry Posted December 15, 2004 Report Share Posted December 15, 2004 What I would like to bid is a polish (raptor) 1NT.. if you will not let me, or if my partner doesn't play it, I will bid 2♣. Ben, I think even play Raptor, perhaps it is better to bid 2C here. IF it is 5c 4s then would be ideal for raptor. what about 7c 4s? just curious. Well, I use raptor whenever I can. I have used raptor with four small cards in a major and seven in the minor, however, I have begun treating four small more like three small and ignoring them as far as raptor goes. When I play with misho, he uses raptor for hands with more than four in the unbid major... I am not entirely sure this is the right way to go, but I am experimenting with it...... it is not as clear how to bid in compeitive auctions using but it does offere some other advantages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aijianhua Posted December 17, 2004 Report Share Posted December 17, 2004 if i have some partnership agreement, I would bid 1♠. otherwise I will bid 2♣, and then bid my spades. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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