Deal #4

[straube]

You are South and dealer. All vul. Scoring is imps. Uncontested auction.

 

...............A762

...............K6

...............JT83

...............J76

953.......................KJ84

T9752...................A43

75.........................642

Q54......................A82

...............QT

...............QJ8

...............AKQ9

...............KT93

 

 

Outcomes

 

3N S SCREAM

3N S Meckwell Light

3N N Precision by Free

3N S Silent Club

3N S IMPrecision

3N N Relknes

3N N Moscito

3N N OC Precision

3N S Zelandakh

3N S Jasmine Club

 

3N S New Big Club (1N opening)

3N S Polish Club (1N opening)

3N S tosr (1D opening)

[JLOGIC]

1C 1H (16+, 8-11)

1N 3C (17-18, ask for 5cM)

3D 3H (no 5cM, 4 spades)

3N

 

North could use regular stayman but imo this is the right way to bid since it is unknown if declarer has 4 hearts or not.

[straube]

You are South and dealer. All vul. Scoring is imps. Uncontested auction.

 

...............A762

...............K6

...............JT83

...............J76

953.......................KJ84

T9752...................A43

75.........................642

Q54......................A82

...............QT

...............QJ8

...............AKQ9

...............KT93

 

SCREAM bids this as...

 

1C-1D 16+, GF, unbal with major OR bal

1H-1S bal OR spades, bal OR H/C

1N-2C bal, bal w/ major

2D-2S asking, 4 spades

2N-3H asking, 4243

3N-

 

Long auction for us. We can't relay break for opener to show a balanced minimum so we tell the opponents dummy's exact shape. Responder has no extra so no super-accept past 3N.

[rbforster]

You are South and dealer. All vul. Scoring is imps. Uncontested auction.

 

...............A762

...............K6

...............JT83

...............J76

953.......................KJ84

T9752...................A43

75.........................642

Q54......................A82

...............QT

...............QJ8

...............AKQ9

...............KT93

Silent Club:

 

1♣-1♠ strong; GF bal or clubs

1N-2♠ relay; bal with 4=2 majors

2N-3♣ relay; 4243

3N-P

 

Given opener's min values and lack of a major suit fit when he hears 2S, he could jump to 3N there without disclosing any more of dummy's shape info.

[Zelandakh]

I have been playing around with the relay break structure for 15-17 hands after a positive. Nevertheless, this auction is essentially unchanged from the original:-

 

1♣ = 15+ nat/bal or 18+ any

... - 2♥ = bal with 4-5 spades and 2-3 hearts, GF

2NT = 15-17 bal (4 spades possible)

... - 3♣ = asking about spades/diamonds

3♦ = 4 diamonds, <4 spades

... - 3NT

[antonylee]

Too weak for a Polish 1♣ so will be using a regular SNT system here.

[Hilver]

You are South and dealer. All vul. Scoring is imps. Uncontested auction.

 

Hilversumse Klaveren

 

1NT - 2♣

2♦ - 3NT

 

1NT = balanced, 16-18 HCP

2♣ = Stayman relay (3♣ would have been asking for 4 or 5 card M; GF)

2♦ = no 4-card major

3NT = that's it

 

Jan

[hrothgar]

1♣ - 1♦ 1♦ = art GF

1♥ - 1N 1♥ = opener prefers to ask (balanced hand) 1N = balanced or 4441

3♣ - 3N 3♣ = Reverse Relay (44 in the minors) 3N = to play

 

Originally, opener prefers to asks rather than show with his balanced hand

After the 1NT response, opener reverses the relay to limit strength and conceal the 1NT bidder's hand.

 

3♣ shows 4-4 in the minors. Relaying out shape doesn't seem to add anything, so captain placed the auction.

(Life could be ugly if opener has 3=2=4=4, however, I doubt 5D would be any better given the limited strength of the two hands)

[relknes]

You are South and dealer. All vul. Scoring is imps. Uncontested auction.

 

...............A762

...............K6

...............JT83

...............J76

953.......................KJ84

T9752...................A43

75.........................642

Q54......................A82

...............QT

...............QJ8

...............AKQ9

...............KT93

 

Using a fairly basic strong club with reverse-cuebids, I would bid

 

1C - 1N

3N - P

 

Translation:

S: 16+, N: 9+ balanced, no 5 card major, GF

S: 16-18 balanced, no 4 card major unless 4333, N: lets play 3N

[Free]

1♣-1NT (16+ ; balanced 8-10 or 13-15)

3NT-pass (balanced 17-18 without interest in Majors)

 

Remark: usually responder won't have a good 5 card M. Opener can ask anyway, but it's a waste of time imo. If he asks, he does so with 2NT and responder will bid 3♣ denying a 5 card M.

[akhare]

1♣ - 1♦ 1♦ = art GF

1♥ - 1N 1♥ = opener prefers to ask (balanced hand) 1N = balanced or 4441

3♣ - 3N 3♣ = Reverse Relay (44 in the minors) 3N = to play

 

Originally, opener prefers to asks rather than show with his balanced hand

After the 1NT response, opener reverses the relay to limit strength and conceal the 1NT bidder's hand.

 

3♣ shows 4-4 in the minors. Relaying out shape doesn't seem to add anything, so captain placed the auction.

(Life could be ugly if opener has 3=2=4=4, however, I doubt 5D would be any better given the limited strength of the two hands)

 

Richard,

 

From a design perspective, why didn't Moscito choose to show balanced hands with 1♠? One option might be 1♣ - 1♦ - 1♥ - 1♠ to (say) show balanced or ♣.

 

My guess is that it's because there probably isn't enough room, but was wondering if there was some other consideration...

[straube]

Richard,

 

From a design perspective, why didn't Moscito choose to show balanced hands with 1♠? One option might be 1♣ - 1♦ - 1♥ - 1♠ to (say) show balanced or ♣.

 

My guess is that it's because there probably isn't enough room, but was wondering if there was some other consideration...

 

Yeah. It would let opener spin of the 5440s as well as declare NT. My guess is so the structures would be mirrored.

[hrothgar]

Richard,

 

From a design perspective, why didn't Moscito choose to show balanced hands with 1♠? One option might be 1♣ - 1♦ - 1♥ - 1♠ to (say) show balanced or ♣.

 

My guess is that it's because there probably isn't enough room, but was wondering if there was some other consideration...

 

Memory load

 

The auction

 

1♣ - 1♦

1♠ - 1NT

2♣+

 

 

mirrors

 

 

1♣ - 1♦

2♣+

[FM75]

OCP

 

1♣ - 1♠ 8+ balanced GF

1N - 2♦ relay, 3 controls

3N - no slam interest, no interest in major suit game.

[awm]

IMprecision:

 

1♣ - 1♦ (strong, double neg or various GF)

1NT - 2♣ (17-20 bal not offshape, stayman)

2♦ - 3NT (no major, to play)

 

Looking at all four hands I'd rather north declare, but single dummy this is very unclear.

[awm]

This puppet stayman thing is interesting. Comparing:

 

1nt-2c-2d-3nt vs 1nt-3c-3d-3h-3nt

 

It seems on the surface like the first auction gives more info (you know opener has no major rather than just "not four spades"). But the second auction actually gives some info too (you know which major responder has) and it also gave 4th hand the chance to double 3h for the lead. Seems unconvincing to me, and playing puppet there loses the 3c bid for an alternative use. The method of 3c puppet does seem popular in the US expert crowd though.

[straube]

This puppet stayman thing is interesting. Comparing:

 

1nt-2c-2d-3nt vs 1nt-3c-3d-3h-3nt

 

It seems on the surface like the first auction gives more info (you know opener has no major rather than just "not four spades"). But the second auction actually gives some info too (you know which major responder has) and it also gave 4th hand the chance to double 3h for the lead. Seems unconvincing to me, and playing puppet there loses the 3c bid for an alternative use. The method of 3c puppet does seem popular in the US expert crowd though.

 

We use a version of Puppet Stayman for our opening NT that Klinger uses. I think RM Precision does something similar.

 

1N-2N is puppet stayman

.....3C-no 5M, not 4333

..........3D-4H

..........3H-4S

..........3S-13(54)

.....3D-any 4333

..........3M-4OM

.....3M-5M

 

With 4/4 in the majors, responder just uses Stayman

 

What I like about this is that it hides opener's hand pretty well, they can't double the 2N bid for a lead, there is no point in doubling the common 3C rebid by opener since that opponent is on lead, so only sometimes will they be able to double when responder tries to show that he has one (and not the other) major. Knowing whether opener is 4333 or not will help the defense sometimes and I'd rather not disclose that except that it's nice not to play mirrored hands in 4M (most of the time).

[Free]

We use a version of Puppet Stayman for our opening NT that Klinger uses. I think RM Precision does something similar.

 

1N-2N is puppet stayman

.....3C-no 5M, not 4333

..........3D-4H

..........3H-4S

..........3S-13(54)

.....3D-any 4333

..........3M-4OM

.....3M-5M

 

With 4/4 in the majors, responder just uses Stayman

 

What I like about this is that it hides opener's hand pretty well, they can't double the 2N bid for a lead, there is no point in doubling the common 3C rebid by opener since that opponent is on lead, so only sometimes will they be able to double when responder tries to show that he has one (and not the other) major. Knowing whether opener is 4333 or not will help the defense sometimes and I'd rather not disclose that except that it's nice not to play mirrored hands in 4M (most of the time).

MW use 2NT as Puppet Stayman, but afaik they don't use the 3♦ response. After 1NT-2NT-3♣ they use:

3♦ = any (31)(54) (3♥ asks)

3M = 4OM

3NT = not interested in 4 card M

[Siegmund]

Unassuming club:

 

1C-1S

2NT(17-18)-3NT

 

I'm no great fan of that 17-18 leap. In my homegrown 'Malfoir':

 

1C-1S-1NT(15-18 no 4CM)-2C(diamonds or invitational)-2S(max, 4+ diamonds, 2 spades)-3NT

[nige1]

#04. You are South and dealer. All vul. Scoring is imps. Uncontested auction.

Jasmine ♣

North ♠ A762 ♥ K6 ♦ JT83 ♣ J76: __ 1♥ 2♣ 2♠

South ♠ QT ♥ QJ8 ♦ AKQ9 ♣ KT93: 1♣ 1N 2♦ 3N

• 1♣ = Art, 16+.
• 1♥ = Art, 4+ ♠.
• 1N = Nat.
• 2♣ = 4+ ♦.
• 2♦ = Nat, Key-ask.
• 2♠ = 1/4 keys.
• 3N = Nat.
  

Marks, IMO: 3N = 10. Partscores = 6.

[mycroft]

My current Precision:

 

1♣-1NT

3NT

 

I'm becoming fond of the "cheat" I put in to a "simple precision" I was trying to get taught here for new strong club players, though, as I hate not following the field with 14s and 17s (theoretically right, I think, but practically wrong at least at MPs):

 

1NT (15-17)-2♣;

2♦-3NT.

 

Try to win in the play.

[Mbodell]

3ntS (tosr based system)

 

1♦-1♠ : 2+♦ 10-15 unbal OR 15-17 bal; natural

1nt-2♣ : 15-17 bal, could still have 4♠ or 5♥; art near force of 2♦ xyz style

2♦-2nt : art near forced bid (now denies 4♠ or 5♥); balanced game invite w/o 4♥ or 5♠

3nt : accept invite.

[qplus10]

1♣1nt(9-11 or more as we saw previously)

2nt (2nt and 3nt both have the same description and don't seem to actually mean anything other than balanced)

3nt.

[jack502]

1♣ 1♥

1nt 3nt

 

 

1♥=semi positive bal,4441 or unbalanced without 5 card major

1nt=15-17 bal.

[mr1303]

1C 1H (4+ spades)

1S 2D (42xx)

2H 2S (4243)

2NT 3D (3 controls)

3NT float