Deal #3

[sieong]

Interesting. So would any relay break by opener show shortness? For example, would 3H show short hearts? I think I'll arbitrarily use the contract suggested by whomever of you posts first unless I see a revision by the first poster. Hope that sounds ok.

 

Early relay breaks for us show shortness in some suit, the order determined by length in responder's suits, with ties broken in favor of earlier shown suits. The relay breaks are allowed up to +2. For the hands in question, 3♣ will show ♣ shortness, 3♦ will show ♦ shortness, and 3♥ does not exist.

[straube]

Early relay breaks for us show shortness in some suit, the order determined by length in responder's suits, with ties broken in favor of earlier shown suits. The relay breaks are allowed up to +2. For the hands in question, 3♣ will show ♣ shortness, 3♦ will show ♦ shortness, and 3♥ does not exist.

 

Excellent. We'll have to incorporate that.

[Zelandakh]

What's your 2D bid? 3-5 hcps? diamonds? Are your 2S and 3C bids forcing?

2♦ is 3-5hcps with upgrading/downgrading allowed. That is 3 jacks or a queen and a jack would be 0-2. You can call it 2-3 QPs if you like and not be far off. 2♠ is game-forcing. The auction is functionally identical to 2♣ - 2♦; 2♠ - 3♣; 3NT in Standard, except that Responder's strength is slightly better specified.

[Siegmund]

1C-P-1D-(1H)

2S(19-22ish)-swish is a distinct possibility for me, if North is pessimistic. A bit embarrassing.

 

If North finds another bid, 3D-3NT might get passed, or might wind up in 5D.

 

Moot because I expect the vast majority of Easts to open 2H.

[nige1]

#03. You are South and fourth seat. Unfavorable. RHO sticks in a 1H bid if available

Jasmine ♣

North ♠- ♥ 842 ♦ Q8643 ♣ QJT72: __ 2♥ 3♠ 4♥

South ♠ AKQT95 ♥ AT7 ♦ AK5 ♣ 8: 1♣ 2N 4♦ 5♦

• 1♣ = Art, 16+.
• 2♥ = Art, Weak 2-suiter, Not ♥.
• 2N = Art, relay.
• 3♠ = Not ♠
• 4♦ = Nat key-ask.
• 4♥ = 0/3

Marks, IMO: 3N = 10. 5♦ = 7. 4♠ = 5. Partscores = 4. 6♦ = 3.

[Mbodell]

I'm pretty sure we'd bid 2nt in 2nd seat with this hand.

[Mbodell]

I'm pretty sure we'd bid 2nt in 2nd seat with this hand.

 

And if I do that, my partner shoots out 6♦ with the 4th seat hand, which looks to me like it might be a lucky make (with the long trumps with the long spades) on the likely trump lead. I'll bid it out on P-P-P-1♣ to see what happens if 2nd seat is a bit more disciplined.

[mycroft]

What MBodell said. I'd like to be better for my 5-8 5-5 minors unfavourable, but these things happen when you preempt, and I have a spade void (which means I want to preempt more).

 

p-1♣;

1♦-(1♥)-1♠;

2♦-3♦

3♥-3NT?

 

Thanks to opponent for warning us there might be a problem.

[Mbodell]

Ok, if I take P-P-P-1♣ as a given we get 4♠S on:

 

P-1♣ : <10 unbal or <12 bal; art, forcing, 16+ unbal OR 18+ bal

1♦-(1♥)-4♠ : 0-7 hcp, or occasionally more if <2 controls; to play

 

I prefer the 2nt-6♦ auction we'd actually have at the table with our tosr based system.

[Free]

I prefer the 2nt-6♦ auction we'd actually have at the table with our tosr based system.

I wouldn't open 2NT weak with both minors with this garbage unfavorable in 2nd seat, especially because opps have easy penalty doubles. If it was 3♣ showing both minors, I might hesitate because it's NF ;)

[JLOGIC]

Ok, if I take P-P-P-1♣ as a given we get 4♠S on:

 

P-1♣ : <10 unbal or <12 bal; art, forcing, 16+ unbal OR 18+ bal

1♦-(1♥)-4♠ : 0-7 hcp, or occasionally more if <2 controls; to play

 

I prefer the 2nt-6♦ auction we'd actually have at the table with our tosr based system.

 

I find it strange that you would bid 4S without even trying to get to 3N. You have 9 tricks pretty often in 3N (ok not opposite a spade void lol), if partner cannot produce an offensive trick thats where we want to be, seems like we should be angling to get there pretty hard.

[Mbodell]

I find it strange that you would bid 4S without even trying to get to 3N. You have 9 tricks pretty often in 3N (ok not opposite a spade void lol), if partner cannot produce an offensive trick thats where we want to be, seems like we should be angling to get there pretty hard.

 

Yeah, that makes sense. It was my partner who bid the 4♠ (seeing only the S hand, obv), but maybe he was worried about clubs or going slower. He can bid 1♠ as a forcing natural call, but if I bid 2♦ he then enters an area where what is forcing and not is unclear (other than 2♥). So 4♠ had some added practical benefit of avoiding opponents bidding more and/or us ending up in a bidding misunderstanding.

[qplus10]

qplus10 again.

 

p p p 1♣

p 1♦ 1♥ 3♠ (setting spades and a gameforce) 1♦ is a negative.

 

dbl was second favorite after 3♠ by 0.2 imps.

 

p 3nt p 4♥

p 4♠ it rated 4♥ as 0.5 imps better than pass.

[Zelandakh]

p 3nt p 4♥

What is the 4♥ bid here - it looks strange.

[qplus10]

What is the 4♥ bid here - it looks strange.

 

 

 

It wasn't offering much of an explanation other than it was a cue. 3♠ had already set trumps.

[jack502]

1♣ 1♠

3♠

 

 

1♠= dbl negative 3♠= 7+ tricks 6+spades.

[mr1303]

1C 1D (1H)

2S 3D

3S 4C

4D 5D

 

Unconvincing auction here

[Zelandakh]

Unconvincing auction here

Is 2♠ game-forcing? an Acol 2? something else? Did you also consider the option I chose (in almost the same spot) of North bidding clubs over 2♠? That keeps 3NT in the picture at the cost of not necessarily showing both suits. It is just that the difference between our contracts looks to me less about system as about judgement and decisions. That makes it more difficult to straube to evaluate. Which route do the others prefer?

[benlessard]

The hand is too strong to be in the 18-21 category so

 

1C--1S (str, No M w or GF)

2D--2S (almost GF any shape, GF values 2-5 pts)

3S--3NT (showing 6 decent spades, soff

all pass.

[Lord Molyb]

Molybdenum pass system:

P - 1♣ (1♥) (opening, forced bid, overcall)

3♠ - 4♠ (South has 4 losers in spades and north has no heart stopper so they are pretty much forced to bid like this after the overcall)

[CamHenry]

Unnamed Homebrew Diamond:

we do have a "spades or both minors" preempt available, but I doubt either of us would open it second in at red on this... heap. So, S opens 1♦:

 

1♦-1♥ 16+, excluding GF / 0-7, no 6-card suit to an honour

2♠-?? 2♠ here is "almost-GF, single-suited" - much like an Acol 2, but definitely NF. N may pass here, or may try 3♦, in which case:

-3♦ showing a suit

5♦-end Anything else is NF, and when N shows diamonds with spade shortage this hand is worth a bid.

 

To be honest, I think 5♦ is resulting and we're more likely to subside in 2♠. It is possible that S decides his hand is worth a GF, though 4 losers is a bit much. In that case the auction runs:

3♥-3♠ Spades, weak or GF / transfer completion

4♣-4♠ 8 or 10 CPs / I don't care, we're not playing slam

[Kungsgeten]

You are South and fourth seat. Unfavorable. RHO sticks in a 1H bid if available.

 

................void

................842

................Q8643

................QJT72

8632..........................J74

J6...............................KQ953

JT2.............................97

A954..........................K63

................AKQT95

................AT7

................AK5

................8

 

Pass 2000

(North's initial pass means 0-7 or 17+ and is forcing)

1C-1D; (0-7 / 17+ -- 0-7)

(1H)

 

Our agreements after disturbed bidding haven't been discussed very much, except "strong hand must act, weak hand may not act on its own". I would probably bid like this:

 

2S - 3D; (2S should show extras and a good suit)

3S - 4C; (I don't really like the 3S bid, but 3H should probably be asking for stoppers)

4D - 5D;

 

It is possible to just bid 4S by south too (after 4C), which would then be the final contract. I guess this is more of a judgement thing than a system thing, in our case.

[PrecisionL]

Upgraded Ultra Club Relay (C3)

 

- - - 1♣

- 1♦ (1♥) 1♠

- 2♦ = natural and 5+ hcp - 2NT

- 3♣ - 3NT All pass