Who made a mistake?

[junyi_zhu]

But how often does opener have a 2NT opening? And even then how many of those have three losers in a side suit?

 

I think that catering for that sort of special hand is a losing proposition on all the other hands.

 

Eric

Sigh, why are you guys are stubborn like this? I am not saying 4S is always a poor bid or good bid. All I want to point out is that your claim is no true if there is no overcall. a slam can be easily bid without much complicate stuff. That's why I called it's a false claim. You can do whatever you like in bidding, but I don't really like claims like even without overcalls, there is no way to find a slam and responder should always jump to 4S the next round. It just doesn't make sense to me.

At the risk of appearing even more stubborn...

 

I was no longer talking about whether slam would be found on this hand with no interference, so introducing the sequence you did is neither here nor there. It doesn't even falsify a claim I made : In the sequence you have proposed, South has not told North about the 2 extra trumps he has, and I don't think he can; and South has not discovered from North that he has cover for all the ♣ losers and I don't think that is going to be easy (unless playing sophisticated methods).

 

Eric

"3) Even if the opponents don't intervene you will never be able to describe this hand to partner except by blasting to 4♠ at some point. "

This is your claim, and if you bid 4S over a 2NT rebid, you are just a loser, period. I wouldn't discuss with you about it any more, it's just a waste of time.

[EricK]

"3) Even if the opponents don't intervene you will never be able to describe this hand to partner except by blasting to 4♠ at some point. "

This is your claim, and if you bid 4S over a 2NT rebid, you are just a loser, period. I wouldn't discuss with you about it any more, it's just a waste of time.

I wouldn't bid 4♠ over 2NT. But I have painted myself into a corner, because whatever I bid over 2NT I won't have described my hand (weak hand; semi-solid 8 card suit).

 

And if opener's rebid is something other than 2NT (as is overwhelmingly likely) I can make all the artificial forcing bids I want (FSF, Bourke relay, TSAR or whatever) and I still won't have described my hand.

 

The closest I can ever come to describing it is to jump to 4♠, and the best time to do that (as suggested by the small sample of hands I mentioned earlier) is immediately.

 

You keep collecting your +100s from defending 5♥X or conceding -50s from 5♠. I'll settle for my +420s

 

Eric