the hog Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 1NT. I do play a 15-17 NT, don't I? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gszes Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 At IMPS I will open 1D since I want to be able toinvite a thin game if p can bid 1H or 1S (and we will haveprobably right sided the contract since I have no honorsto protect). At MP I open 1N (number 1 MP spot) sincebidding thin games is a losing MP tactic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSGibson Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 I don't aggressively upgrade without good 5 or 6 card suits or great spots and honor structures in two four card suits, and I wouldn't do so here. I'm opening 1N, and super-accepting transfers (if I get to show a doubleton club, so much the better for potential slam exploration). I also hate opening a 2 card club suit/3 card diamond suit, because my distribution is an open book as soon as they get a count on that suit, so I feel like it will be harder to justify my upgrade when declaring against competent opponents. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 I also hate opening a 2 card club suit/3 card diamond suit, because my distribution is an open book as soon as they get a count on that suit, so I feel like it will be harder to justify my upgrade when declaring against competent opponents. Seems like there's a reasonable chance your hand will be on the table after the opening lead if you open 1♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lalldonn Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 I really don't like opening in a minor to cater to a small set of hands with a four card major and a very specific strength range. It's bad to open in the minor too since you are short there, and what if partner just make a preemptive raise or something? And if he responds 1NT you now aren't worth your upgrade any more which was on the basis of a possible major suit fit. Pretty much it seems to me if you don't open 1NT you are doing something with a negative expectation almost every time partner doesn't have a four-card (specifically) major, and not all that positive even when he does have the major since you have wrongsided. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andy_h Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 If we hit partner with a major, haven't we rightsided? Don't we prefer to have the lead going into partner's hand? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 All this talk about upgrading is kind of amusing to me. Did you not notice that we have the NINE OF SPADES!? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billw55 Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 All this talk about upgrading is kind of amusing to me. 1NT. I do play a 15-17 NT, don't I?I agree, and honestly don't understand upgrading at all, to me this hand is not even close. 17 points, yippee! Three aces is nice, but their honor support is average at best for a hand of this strength. No meaningful spot cards, no five card suit, and Jx is a minus. Give me AKx KQT9 AJT9 xx, and I will think about it. On the given hand, no way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helene_t Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 I once posted a semi-serious idea on Stepbridge forum in which I argued that you shouldn't open 1NT with four spades. The idea being that you can always open 1m, rebid 1♠, and then raise partner's next bid as approproate:1m-1red1♠-2♣ (or 1NT)2NT So as long as the system doesn't force me to show a balanced hand with 17 points (I can always pretend to have some semibalanced or three-suited hand with strength equivalent to what I actually have), I am safe. I dunno. It could certainly happen that 1NT gets passed out when 4M has play. On the other hand, if partner doesn't have a 4-card major it is nice to be able to show my values without commiting to 2NT. Failing to open 1NT could also make things awkward if opps interfere. I continue to open 1NT for now. It might be wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dake50 Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 Agree Fluffy, but I'll look for my 19+ opener. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrAce Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 Imho if 17 is in your 1NT range, opening this 1m is over analysing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fromageGB Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 1♣, transfer walsh to find the major fit, easy for me as I play 15/16 NT. If I were to play 15-17, I would not like to open 1♣ and treat this as 18 if partner does not have a major, but a NT contract is better played by partner. Downgrade the club to a singleton, and open 1♦. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 I agree, and honestly don't understand upgrading at all, to me this hand is not even close. 17 points, yippee! Three aces is nice, but their honor support is average at best for a hand of this strength. No meaningful spot cards, no five card suit, and Jx is a minus. Give me AKx KQT9 AJT9 xx, and I will think about it. On the given hand, no way. Sorry, sometimes I say things that are cryptic (read: unclear). If I changed my shape but kept the same collection of honors (and the ♠9) I'd open this 1N. I like 1♦ because I am 4-4 in the majors, have a max (or close to it), and hopefully partner can make a positive move after 1m - 1M - 3M, but he would pass 1N. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 I'd open 1N but I don't feel that strongly. Obviously the idea is to get to some 4Ms that would have gone 1N AP if we open 1D. I don't think our hand is that great though. We have no spots other than the S9 and we have a stray jack. It is not like we will be cold necessarily when it goes 1m 1M 3M 4M, that could easily go down, and we are overbidding a lot when we have to bid 2N next. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akhare Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 Looks like a 1N opener to me (assuming a 15-17 NT). JX and the other xx spots don't exactly inspire effusiveness about this hand... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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