Bbradley62 Posted January 16, 2013 Report Share Posted January 16, 2013 I would splinter, so auction might go1h 3c3d* 3s* (*cues) 4c* 5h** 6h<<snip>>So I blame north for not splintering (unless they don't play splinters) say 50% <<snip>>What if it's neither (a) nor (b)? Being non-expert players, they probably play that 1H-3C is a jump shift (either weak or strong, depending on their agreement) and that a splinter requires 1H-4C ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted January 17, 2013 Report Share Posted January 17, 2013 Don, I think you can improve information exchange by combining the first 2 options in the follow-ups. Thx Zel..... I'm going to look at it more thoroughly later . I also, corrected my mistakes in my post # 17 ... [ I inadvertently put the ♥ symbol instead of the ♣ symbol for the 3NT! , 4C!, and 4D! rebids ...) Now it correctly shows the 2nd ♣ honor ( or not ) in Opener's 2nd suit [ ♣ ] . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted January 17, 2013 Report Share Posted January 17, 2013 (edited) Zel.....Note that Opener's :3C! guarantees shortness in ♠ or ♦ [ besides showing 4 ( or 5 )♣ heading by the A or K ] . After the - 3D! ( ask ) :3S! ( 2nd step ) = ♦ shortness, "bad" hand since I could not use the 3rd, 4th or 5th steps ; thus denying a 2nd ♣-honor and denying a ♠-Ctrl. How about this improvement:3S! - 3NT! = asks about ♦-shortness??.. 4C = stiff.. 4D = void.. 4H = stiff Ace EDIT: Another option over 3S!3S! - 4C = asks if ♠ is doubleton or tripleton :??.. 4D = worthless tripleton ♠.. 4H = worthless doubleton ♠ which can be important for slammish hands . Edited January 17, 2013 by TWO4BRIDGE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbenvic Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 What if it's neither (a) nor (b)? Being non-expert players, they probably play that 1H-3C is a jump shift (either weak or strong, depending on their agreement) and that a splinter requires 1H-4C ? Then I wouldn't splinter! I'd just bid 1♠, hey a 4-4 fit might play better than the 5-4 one! But I also get more room to find out about partners hand. Another way there -1h 1s2c 2d* (4th suit GF)2s 3h** (set trumps not a cue)4c 4d4h 4ntIf 5c is 0 or 3 then 5c 5d+ (You have Q♥) 6d++ 6h (Yes + 2nd ♦ control ie no K♠ or K♣) If 5d is 0 or 3 then I think you have a tough choice, he's 3514 with 3 keycards, A♣ A♦ & either A or K♥ and enough to cue over 3♥ so not a washout. I'd bid it but with fingers crossed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zelandakh Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 3C! guarantees shortness in ♠ or ♦ [ besides showing 4 ( or 5 )♣ heading by the A or K ] . After the - 3D! ( ask ) :3S! ( 2nd step ) = ♦ shortness, "bad" hand since I could not use the 3rd, 4th or 5th steps ; thus denying a 2nd ♣-honor and denying a ♠-Ctrl.I am not sure why a bad hand cannot also contain a second club honour or a spade control. What about xxx/Jxxxx/A/KQxx, Kxx/Jxxxx/A/Kxxx or even Kxx/Qxxxx/x/KQxx? I think the most important pieces of information here are (in order of importance): a) good or bad hand for slam generally (Frivolous/Serious); b) the control situation in the side suits; and c) details of the splinter suit. There are 4 steps and 4 pieces of (binary) information to exchange. So any scheme that assigns the first step to good/bad, the second and third steps to side suits, and the fourth step to the splinter suit should be good. If you can think of something that is more important to you than singleton/void or 0 loser/1 loser in the splinter suit then by all means include that instead. The thing is to understand how much space is available and thereby how many bits of information can be exchanged, and once you know this to have a systematic way of assigning the bids that works in all relevant auctions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JLOGIC Posted January 18, 2013 Report Share Posted January 18, 2013 I'm like 100 % sure I would miss this slam. Oh well :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TWO4BRIDGE Posted January 19, 2013 Report Share Posted January 19, 2013 (edited) I am not sure why a bad hand cannot also contain a second club honour or a spade control. What about : xxx Jxxxx A KQxx Kxx Jxxxx A Kxxx or even Kxx Qxxxx x KQxx ? Those are definitely BAD openers.... and I don't think I'd open. [EDIT: I'd probably open the 2nd one ] Edited January 19, 2013 by TWO4BRIDGE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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