Lord Molyb Posted January 6, 2013 Report Share Posted January 6, 2013 [hv=pc=n&s=shdakqj76cakq9753]133|100[/hv]Spot cards approximated.How do you bid this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fromageGB Posted January 6, 2013 Report Share Posted January 6, 2013 No idea.I open 7♦ on the surmise that nobody is likely to have a major holding sufficient for other than a very risky 7, and that a 4-1-1 / 4-0-2 club distribution sounds more likely than a 5-1-1 / 5-0-2 diamond split. No doubt someone will tell us. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunemPard Posted January 6, 2013 Report Share Posted January 6, 2013 Cannot let the opponents get a sacrifice...pick your poison for grand...although opening 7D may just say your an idiot if you let us have this... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 6, 2013 Report Share Posted January 6, 2013 Depends a lot on opponents, I tend to open 7♦, but opening 1♦ to rebid 7♣ against passive opponents is maybe better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fromageGB Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 Depends a lot on opponents, I tend to open 7♦, but opening 1♦ to rebid 7♣ against passive opponents is maybe betterDo you really think that with distributions as they will be, opponents are going to be passive??? I would much rather get in quickly BEFORE they discover they have a 2-suited fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dwar0123 Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 No idea.I open 7♦ on the surmise that nobody is likely to have a major holding sufficient for other than a very risky 7, and that a 4-1-1 / 4-0-2 club distribution sounds more likely than a 5-1-1 / 5-0-2 diamond split. No doubt someone will tell us.I believe you need both suits to split to make 7, so which one you are in is rather immaterial. In an effort to keep opponents from saccing at the 7 level, I think I would start with 2♣ and make normal sounding forcing bids until I bid 7 of one of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyman Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 2C-2D-7D so you can go to the bar. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSGibson Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 Either 7♦ or some plan that involves blackwood at some point to make sure that I don't miss 7N, and to make the opponents think that the wheels may have come off when they have a "cashing" ace. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 7, 2013 Report Share Posted January 7, 2013 Do you really think that with distributions as they will be, opponents are going to be passive???You might be suprised how balanced opponents can be when you have a 7-6 AND I never said opponents would stay silent, read my post again, some opponents would never ever bid a grand on defence, so it doesn't matter at all what they hold or bid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the hog Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 7D. Don't overthink the hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lycier Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 Open 1♦, and plan to rebid 7♣.Is this a good idea? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Molyb Posted January 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 Open 1♦, and plan to rebid 7♣.Is this a good idea?What if LHO had 1-8-1-3 and RHO had something like ♠AKxxxxx ♥Axxx ♦x ♣x? They could easily bid to 7 hearts, crowding you out of your minors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 I remember a trials back in 1990 when John Hobson held: ♠- ♥AKQJxx ♦AKJxxxx ♣- He opened 7♥ on the rationale that opponents may fail to lead a trump when partner is 1-1 in the reds. The auction proceeded: pass pass 7♠ double, and the opponents went for 2000. No big deal, you might think, except that LHO had passed over 7♥ with ten, nine to seven hearts! So this is my question: how many of you play a double of 7♥ for take-out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Molyb Posted January 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 I remember a trials back in 1990 when John Hobson held: ♠- ♥AKQJxx ♦AKJxxxx ♣- He opened 7♥ on the rationale that opponents may fail to lead a trump when partner is 1-1 in the reds. The auction proceeded: pass pass 7♠ double, and the opponents went for 2000. No big deal, you might think, except that LHO had passed over 7♥ with ten, nine to seven hearts! So this is my question: how many of you play a double of 7♥ for take-out?you're saying his LHO had ♥109xxxxx and didn't double 7♥?! :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilKing Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 you're saying his LHO had ♥109xxxxx and didn't double 7♥?! :blink: Yep - he explained afterwards that if he doubled it should show a desire to sacrifice in 7♠, but catering for partner holding a trump trick. On the same rationale, his partner should have doubled to show long spades (rather than Lightner) ... :ph34r: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveMoe Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 I think opening 7♣ is obvious - how else can we insure we win the 13th trick with the ♦7! :D 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbenvic Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 I think opening 7♣ is obvious - how else can we insure we win the 13th trick with the ♦7! :D YES, it's all about the beer card! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 What if LHO had 1-8-1-3 and RHO had something like ♠AKxxxxx ♥Axxx ♦x ♣x? They could easily bid to 7 hearts, crowding you out of your minors.They can always bid 7♥ over whatever, cherry picking full hands is absurd, but picking a minor suit not to break its much more reasonable, opponents defending is bad, but going down when you could make it is much worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffy Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 This hand reminds me of one we had in the club a couple years ago, don't remember exactly, but mostly it was that if ♠AKQxxxx were running 12 tricks were cold and 13 possible. A player who had been playing for 25 years stayed at 4 spades. I think she just counted her points and added some for the shape or something like. BTW If I ever see this kind of club player open 7 of something I would insta bid 7 of something higher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antrax Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 If I ever play against you, I'll be sure to open 7♠ on nothing :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gwnn Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 So this is my question: how many of you play a double of 7♥ for take-out?I would, if I ever had enough time to have an agreement on it. I have no idea what I would take it as at the table :) I would double with those 3 heart tricks without thinking about this takeout double business. I would never bid 7S on partner's hand, and I haven't even seen it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fromageGB Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 I believe you need both suits to split to make 7, so which one you are in is rather immaterial.Not exactly true,because if trumps break badly there is nothing you can do. If your side suit breaks badly, dummy will be short, so you possibly can ruff one to make them all good. So pick the suit that is less likely to break badly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32519 Posted January 8, 2013 Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 [hv=pc=n&s=shdakqj76cakq9753]133|100[/hv]Spot cards approximated.How do you bid this?Any idea what the other 3 hands looked like? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Molyb Posted January 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted January 8, 2013 Any idea what the other 3 hands looked like?Nope, sorry :(All I know is that 7 of one of the minors made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
32519 Posted January 13, 2013 Report Share Posted January 13, 2013 In a different thread, someone suggested opening 5NT as "pick a minor suit slam" with a hand such as this one. I think it may have been Vampyr who made the suggestion. Over whichever minor partner picks, raise to 7. Nice and easy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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