1nt forcing

[inquiry]

I read that post here saying you shoud never pass with 4 diamonds and 2M, i just think its wrong, and think this hand if you decided to bid 1nt, then you better pass 2d, i dont see what you will benefit from going higher when you are confortable in 2 diamond with atleast 7 card fit, bidding 2h will could result in many ways, the better one is that the 5-2 will play abit better then the 4-3, but this is just one thing that can go abit better, on the other hand there are lots of things that can go wrong , and very wrong, you could end up playing 5-2 instead of 5-4, you could end up going down several times in 2nt when you have an easy 2/3 diamonds on a 4-4 fit. partner can bid game in either heart or NT and go down.

If your partner bids 2♦ and you correct to 2M, you will never end up in game unless you cooperate further. The reason is if all your partner can do is bid 2♦, and then you bid 2M, he can't have enough to bid game... cause if he did, he would have bid something more than 2♦. The best partner can do is invite you to participate, and only with a super duper hand.

 

Ben

[Flame]

I read that post here saying you shoud never pass with 4 diamonds and 2M, i just think its wrong, and think this hand if you decided to bid 1nt, then you better pass 2d, i dont see what you will benefit from going higher when you are confortable in 2 diamond with atleast 7 card fit, bidding 2h will could result in many ways, the better one is that the 5-2 will play abit better then the 4-3, but this is just one thing that can go abit better, on the other hand there are lots of things that can go wrong , and very wrong, you could end up playing 5-2 instead of 5-4, you could end up going down several times in 2nt when you have an easy 2/3 diamonds on a 4-4 fit. partner can bid game in either heart or NT and go down.

If your partner bids 2♦ and you correct to 2M, you will never end up in game unless you cooperate further. The reason is if all your partner can do is bid 2♦, and then you bid 2M, he can't have enough to bid game... cause if he did, he would have bid something more than 2♦. The best partner can do is invite you to participate, and only with a super duper hand.

 

Ben

Great so that prove my point, if we are going to play in a partscore, then what are the chances that 2d is the best place to be ? imo very high.

Maybe the point behind the "dont pass with 4 diamonds and 4 hearts" is that partner with a very good hand can miss a game, but if we know game isnt possible , why not pass 2d ?

[pclayton]

I read that post here saying you shoud never pass with 4 diamonds and 2M, i just think its wrong, and think this hand if you decided to bid 1nt, then you better pass 2d, i dont see what you will benefit from going higher when you are confortable in 2 diamond with atleast 7 card fit, bidding 2h will could result in many ways, the better one is that the 5-2 will play abit better then the 4-3, but this is just one thing that can go abit better, on the other hand there are lots of things that can go wrong , and very wrong, you could end up playing 5-2 instead of 5-4, you could end up going down several times in 2nt when you have an easy 2/3 diamonds on a 4-4 fit. partner can bid game in either heart or NT and go down.

If your partner bids 2♦ and you correct to 2M, you will never end up in game unless you cooperate further. The reason is if all your partner can do is bid 2♦, and then you bid 2M, he can't have enough to bid game... cause if he did, he would have bid something more than 2♦. The best partner can do is invite you to participate, and only with a super duper hand.

 

Ben

Merry Christmas and I hope 2005 is a great year for everyone.

 

2♦ shows a rather wide range; up to a bad 18.

 

A return to 2 of the major similarly shows a wide range; a hand just good enough to eek out a response, or up to a bad 10.

 

Opener needs to make a move with the 16-18 range over 2 of a major. This is the primary reason why getting out in 2♦ is your best strategy. Presumably you bid ont his hand to either improve the contract or in case pard has a huge 2 suiter and didn't want to open 2♣.