1nt forcing

[sceptic]

[hv=d=e&v=n&n=sa9874hj753dq7caq&w=s653h62da832ct853&e=sqhaqt98dk965cj62&s=skjt2hk4djt4ck974]399|300|Scoring: IMP[/hv]

 

West North East South

 

 -     -     1♥    Pass

 1NT   Pass  2♦    Pass

 Pass  Pass  

 

Hi,

 

I bid 1nt force here, it earnt me a top, played in 2 diamond -1, everyone else was in 3 or 4 spades making 10 or 11 tricks.

 

I would like opinions as to was my 1nt good, bad or lucky and reasons behind your opinion please

 

and opinions as to wheater opps should have x the 1 heart or x or bid over the 2 diamonds

[flytoox]

Norht should overcall 2s after ur 1N. Ur success is mainly due to opp's failure to take action.

[EricK]

Your 1NT was correct IMO.

 

Firstly, it hides from the opponents how weak you are

Secondly, it makes it harder for North to bid his spades

Thirdly, with the current trend to open big two and three-suited hands with a one level bid rather than 2♣ it gives you a chance to find game if it is there.

 

However, you were lucky to get a good score! Once you pass 2♦, North should certainly have bid 2♠.

 

Eric

[arrows]

Your 1NT bid is no doubt the right thing to do, I think.

 

In today's duplicate brige, one should never pass a opening bid with an ace.

 

And I agree with flytoox, your success is due to opps' mistake. The reason

is after 1H pass 1NT pass, 2D pass pass ? , North and South had spade fit

by inference, especially this is MP, selling out 2D is just inconceivable.

[Flame]

1. Your success was due to luck.

2. north should bid 2S over 1nt

3. If 1nt show 4+ hcp then bid 1nt, if it show 6+ then pass, i play 1nt as 6+ so i wont bid, i dont understand why ppl hate to pass when they should.

Playing 1NT as 4+ would make ur life harder on other hands.

Actually if my partner would bid like that i would be very unhappy, i dont mind partners making mistakes, but the ability to count 6 hcp is something i expect from partners and the luck of disiplaint really freaks me out.

[inquiry]

DONT PASS 2♦ with this hand. Your rebid should be 2♥. Sure the pass worked ok here, but, your partner could have a much different hand. For example, read the following post by mike lucy (aka yzerman) Requirements for Rebids After (1M-1N)

[mike777]

2h, again agree with above.

 

too many of my 2/1 partners will only have 3d on this bidding.

[Antoine Fourrière]

I wouldn't bid 1N for fear of hearing 3N with a balanced 18-19. (Playing a system which opens these hands 1♣ might convince me.). But if I did, I would pass any rebid by opener. (True, not a 3♠, 4♣ or 4♦ auto-splinter.)

[mike777]

playing 2d=18-19 bal. solves above issue.

[Gerardo]

I wouldn't bid 1N for fear of hearing 3N with a balanced 18-19.

Why rebid 3NT with 18-19 bal when 2NT shows that hand?

[Free]

Passing twice with the North hand is ridiculous, so they earned their bottom, you were just lucky to be their opponents ;)

[Fluffy]

Opponents were obviously wrong, but your 1NT bid didn´t make it easy for them, so you deserve some merit as well.

 

About if you should or not bid... I always follow the rule that you should response when you feel you can afford to play game when partner has 19 Balanced, an Ace is in the edge, maybe with a couple of intermediates or a 5 card suit it would be worth to bid 1NT, with your actual holding I would pass.

[bearmum]

[pclayton]

I have no problem passing 2♦. For me, 2♦ promises 4 so we've no doubt found our best fit. Further, you want partner to stop bidding (for instance partner will carry on to 2N over 2♥ with 15-17).

 

I usually give partner the preference with the doubleton, but this isn't the hand for it.

[inquiry]

I have no problem passing 2♦. For me, 2♦ promises 4 so we've no doubt found our best fit. Further, you want partner to stop bidding (for instance partner will carry on to 2N over 2♥ with 15-17).

 

I usually give partner the preference with the doubleton, but this isn't the hand for it.

I assume your 2♦ promises four because you rebid 2♣ on a doubleton with 5332 hands. This treatment works well on this hand, but leads to some really ackward decisions if partner rebids 2♣. I tried it that way, and I didn't like it.

 

Ben

[pclayton]

I have no problem passing 2♦. For me, 2♦ promises 4 so we've no doubt found our best fit. Further, you want partner to stop bidding (for instance partner will carry on to 2N over 2♥ with 15-17).

 

I usually give partner the preference with the doubleton, but this isn't the hand for it.

I assume your 2♦ promises four because you rebid 2♣ on a doubleton with 5332 hands. This treatment works well on this hand, but leads to some really ackward decisions if partner rebids 2♣. I tried it that way, and I didn't like it.

 

Ben

With an old partner; we played 2♣ as denying any of the following:

 

6 of the major; 4♥'s (over 1♠), 5 ♦'s.

 

This system is a little too restrictive, however, we did occasionally play a nice 2-6 or 1-6 club fit when it came up.

 

I think its playable however you do it. You get to play the 3-5 ♣ fit; I get to play the 4-4 ♦ fit. Neither of us are passing 2 of a minor much so it doesn't make much difference.

[inquiry]

I have no problem passing 2♦. For me, 2♦ promises 4 so we've no doubt found our best fit. Further, you want partner to stop bidding (for instance partner will carry on to 2N over 2♥ with 15-17).

 

I usually give partner the preference with the doubleton, but this isn't the hand for it.

I assume your 2♦ promises four because you rebid 2♣ on a doubleton with 5332 hands. This treatment works well on this hand, but leads to some really ackward decisions if partner rebids 2♣. I tried it that way, and I didn't like it.

 

Ben

With an old partner; we played 2♣ as denying any of the following:

 

6 of the major; 4♥'s (over 1♠), 5 ♦'s.

 

This system is a little too restrictive, however, we did occasionally play a nice 2-6 or 1-6 club fit when it came up.

 

I think its playable however you do it. You get to play the 3-5 ♣ fit; I get to play the 4-4 ♦ fit. Neither of us are passing 2 of a minor much so it doesn't make much difference.

Yes, I very seldom pass two of a minor, but I do often RAISE The minor. I would not like to be raising a doubleton or heavens forbid the way you describe, a one card minor.

 

My 2 of major after 1NT is probably different from yours when I play with regular partners, my 2 of partners major is nearly always 2 card suit, and nearly always has some support for whatever partners first suit was. The reason is that I have that drury response in all seats... I have described elsewhere. My partners don't get visison of greatness over my delayed 2 of a major raise. I am also not hidding a good balanced hand with this delayed 2 of a major raise either... :-)

 

But I would bid as above with a pickup partner at 2/1.

[Fluffy]

I think Phil gave the most important clue, you have to pass 2♦ (5-2 doesn´t play much better than 4-3 after all) even if it could be third, the reason is you don´t want partner to bid again with any 15-17 hand.

[mcphee]

Bidding 1NT was 100% correct, you just do not pass with an ace.

 

The opps were soft to allow you to play 2D, or 2H if that had been your next bid (my preference).

 

Partners that now continue on over 2H because they have 15-16 HCP are making a mistake as you the responder have already denied the ability to make an invitational call and should not have 10-11hcp or even a good 9.

 

It is just easier to open the bidding 1NT with a 5 card major. You will discover that once your side has opened the bidding 1NT 15-17 your auctions become easier. At times you may play 3NT when 4 of a major is better, however you will also avoid 4 of a major when 3NT is better just as often. Some feel that opening a NT with the 5 card major is bad unless they have 3 cards in the other major. I do not bother to take that view.

[pclayton]

Bidding 1NT was 100% correct, you just do not pass with an ace.

 

The opps were soft to allow you to play 2D, or 2H if that had been your next bid (my preference).

 

Partners that now continue on over 2H because they have 15-16 HCP are making a mistake as you the responder have already denied the ability to make an invitational call and should not have 10-11hcp or even a good 9.

 

It is just easier to open the bidding 1NT with a 5 card major. You will discover that once your side has opened the bidding 1NT 15-17 your auctions become easier. At times you may play 3NT when 4 of a major is better, however you will also avoid 4 of a major when 3NT is better just as often. Some feel that opening a NT with the 5 card major is bad unless they have 3 cards in the other major. I do not bother to take that view.

Except the hand that frequently bids 2N is the 15-17 with 2542, that doesn't want to open 1N. I think its pushing it for responder to have to bypass doubleton support to show a 10 count or even a good 9 with 2N. This will lead to an unplayable 20 or 21 count (even less around here with the children of Zar).

[HeartA]

Your 1NT was correct IMO.

 

Firstly, it hides from the opponents how weak you are

Secondly, it makes it harder for North to bid his spades

Thirdly, with the current trend to open big two and three-suited hands with a one level bid rather than 2♣ it gives you a chance to find game if it is there.

 

However, you were lucky to get a good score! Once you pass 2♦, North should certainly have bid 2♠.

 

Eric

Agree with Eric. North was on the margin to overcall 2S over 1NT and pass is OK. To pass 2D, North earned the bottom.

 

As for West, pass 2D was OK, though I agree 2H was better.

[flytoox]

Your 1NT was correct IMO.

 

Firstly, it hides from the opponents how weak you are

Secondly, it makes it harder for North to bid his spades

Thirdly, with the current trend to open big two and three-suited hands with a one level bid rather than 2♣ it gives you a chance to find game if it is there.

 

However, you were lucky to get a good score! Once you pass 2♦, North should certainly have bid 2♠.

 

Eric

Agree with Eric. North was on the margin to overcall 2S over 1NT and pass is OK. To pass 2D, North earned the bottom.

 

As for West, pass 2D was OK, though I agree 2H was better.

Hehe, no, North's passing over 1N is wrong. Mike lawrence said when auction goes like 1X-p-1N-? Bidding 2Y is always right if Y>>X. His answer to this kind question is: Bid! Dont look at ur hand:)

[vang]

Dealer: East Vul: NS Scoring: IMP ♠ A9874 ♥ J753 ♦ Q7 ♣ AQ ♠ 653 ♥ 62 ♦ A832 ♣ T853 ♠ Q ♥ AQT98 ♦ K965 ♣ J62 ♠ KJT2 ♥ K4 ♦ JT4 ♣ K974  

 

West  North East  South

 

-    -    1♥    Pass

1NT  Pass  2♦    Pass

Pass  Pass 

 

 

in my opinnion, answering 1NT is wrong (i would pass) and the good result was pure luck (or bad opps), not your merit. i think even more absurd is to suggest 1h-1n-2d-2h, trying twice to go too high against (probably) nothing to play by opps.

[Antoine Fourrière]

(Gerardo@ Dec 13 2004, 6:38 AM)

(Antoine Fourrière @ Dec 13 2004, 12:06 AM)

I wouldn't bid 1N for fear of hearing 3N with a balanced 18-19.

Why rebid 3NT with 18-19 bal when 2NT shows that hand?

 

Gulp, you're absolutely right.

[Flame]

I read that post here saying you shoud never pass with 4 diamonds and 2M, i just think its wrong, and think this hand if you decided to bid 1nt, then you better pass 2d, i dont see what you will benefit from going higher when you are confortable in 2 diamond with atleast 7 card fit, bidding 2h will could result in many ways, the better one is that the 5-2 will play abit better then the 4-3, but this is just one thing that can go abit better, on the other hand there are lots of things that can go wrong , and very wrong, you could end up playing 5-2 instead of 5-4, you could end up going down several times in 2nt when you have an easy 2/3 diamonds on a 4-4 fit. partner can bid game in either heart or NT and go down.