Multi 2 Diamond

[kgr]

My p opened mulit 2♦.

This is weak 2M or 22-23 HCP.

 

Bidding was:

2♦-(2♠)-p-(p)

DBL

 

What is this DBL?

I took it as weak S and passed, but partner did have 22HCP and no Spade stopper. 2♠X made.

 

What agreements do you have after open multi 2♦ and interactions by opps?

[inquiry]

You need some good, hard rules when playing multi 2D.

 

The most common I have seen is double of either major by either openor or his partner are for penalty, with bids by either player being normal as if no competition.

 

Oddly enough I don't like this normal way. Over a major overcall, I use double by responder as "takeout". Opener leaves it in if they bid "his suit". Likewise, since responder can not double for penalty, when it gets passed back around to opener, he doubles for "takeout". What hands he can't have for this takeout double...

 

1) A minor one suiter acol 2 bid (well, you didn't included that option anyway) - just bid you minor

2) A balance 22-23, sadly your partner would not leave it in most of the time anyway -- here you just bid 2NT.. besides if partner wanted to make a penalty pass, and you have 22-23, you have slam, and opponent wasn't bidding anyway in the real world. You could play it both ways I guess on the theory if you have 22-23 and bidding stopped in 2M and your partner reopened with double, you could look at your blizzard and figure it out.. but I never like these this figure out what partner's double means based upon what hand you hold.

 

So for me I play this double as shows the other major, and gives partner a chance to pass for penatly. Works for me.

[kgr]

Over a major overcall, I use double by responder as "takeout".

 

Some more questions:

2D-(2S)-P-P

1. Opener DBL's with weak 2 H. Or does it have to be a max weak 2H?

2. What do you bid with 22 HCP and no Spade stop?

eg. Jxx-AKQ-AKJx-Axxx

 

2D-(2S)-

3. Will you DBL with 3 card H (LOTT says that you want to be in 3H if partner has weak 2H)? Or do you also need some points to DBL, eg limit in H, asking partner to choose 3H or 4H with a weak 2H?

 

2D-(2S)-3H or 2D-(2H)-2S

4. Will you ever bid this 3H or 2S and what does it show?

[Gerben47]

I have much experience playing Multi and it is important to know what this auction means. I play that after 2-level interference, double by responder is:

 

Pass if you have 6 trumps, bid the other major if you have that. As responder did NOT double he does not want to hear about your weak two bid, so opener must have the strong balanced hand to double. This is a takeout double, by the way. With a good stopper in their suit bid 2NT.

 

The two auctions 2♦ (2♥) 2♠ and 2♦ (2♠) 3♥ are a bit odd as you could have doubled. They show the same as double but with length in "opponent's" suit to uncover a psychic 2-level overcall in partner's suit (or more likely, react to the artificial 2M overcall by opponents).

[mila85]

2d-(2M)-dbl. is P/C (can be very weak)

2d-(3M)-dbl. is penalty

 

2d-(2M)-2nt is strong relay(inv+)

2d-(2h)-2s and

2d-(2s)-3h is natural (dbl. gives too much place to opps)

Partner and opponent have very rarely the same suit. Be careful with void(singleton) in overcalled suit.

(When you have 2 cards in it, the distribution must be exactly 6(partner)+5(RHO)+2(you)+0(LHO). When you have 3, partner must have the other major or a strong hand. As Gerben47 wrote you will easily uncover a psychic.)

 

2d-2s-(p)-(p)

dbl. is strong balanced hand

I've never had weak two in spades after this bidding. And if I get it I don't see any problem in passing it.

[inquiry]

Over a major overcall, I use double by responder as "takeout".

 

Some more questions:

2D-(2S)-P-P

1. Opener DBL's with weak 2 H. Or does it have to be a max weak 2H?

2. What do you bid with 22 HCP and no Spade stop?

eg. Jxx-AKQ-AKJx-Axxx

 

2D-(2S)-

3. Will you DBL with 3 card H (LOTT says that you want to be in 3H if partner has weak 2H)? Or do you also need some points to DBL, eg limit in H, asking partner to choose 3H or 4H with a weak 2H?

 

2D-(2S)-3H or 2D-(2H)-2S

4. Will you ever bid this 3H or 2S and what does it show?

1. Does it have to be a maximum weak two in hearts to double 2S? No, but it must be short in spades. If you are looking at 3 spades and a maximum weak two, simple pass... As your partner is not trapping.

 

2. With 2♠, I would bid 3♠. This shows the big hand, no stopper, alternatively, I might consider pass. This is why some people would play the double here as both ways. This is a hard hand. You would like to double for penatly...but the frequency of this double, versus the frequency of double with short spades and long hearts is way in favor of the long heart hand. You will catch them a lot more times with the 2Sx with long hearts when partner can pass than when partner has the big hand. Note the hand in this thread where your partner had the big balanced hand and you couldn't beat them.

 

3. I will double 2♠ on 2D-(2S) with short spades and at least three hearts. This can be a fairly weak hand, as I may just want to compete to 3♥. The good news is I don't have to bid 3♥ on three assuming partners suit is hearts... sometimes your RHO will overcall your partner's suit. This double makes him pay. All I need is enough to set 2S if partner has a weak two in that suit.

 

4. I will tend not to bid 2♠ or 3♥ on those auctions. That is what the double shows.... see note above. The exeption is when i have enough legnth in the overcalled suit to know that overcaller and partner can not have 11 cards between them in that suit. So these bids become, in effect, pass/correct as always in case RHO is psyched his bid.

 

BTW, this method also works if they use some kind of funky defense to 2♦. For instance, if they overcall in a major as a takeout double of that major. When short in the suit they bid and some stuff, wack the suit they bid to show the other major.