2S pass 4S 4NT

[pigpenz]

Ikeep trying hoping that eventually it will get fixed and be played as takeout

and I keep playing 4NT :rolleyes:

 

but isnt this standard

x=penalty

4NT=takeout

over 4 spade bids?

 

[hv=pc=n&s=s7hj654dkqt6cat53&d=s&v=e&b=3&a=p2sp4s4nppp]133|200[/hv]

[Bbradley62]

Oh, but you should have posted the hand, to show how incredibly useless the description of 4NT is!

[hv=lin=pn|pigpenz,~~M7119d91,~~M10753w8,~~M14525l7|st%7C%7Cmd%7C4S7H456JD6TQKC35TA%2CS2345JKH79KD48JCQ%2CS89HQAD2579AC478J%2C%7Crh%7C%7Cah%7CBoard%206%7Csv%7Ce%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C2S%7Can%7CWeak%20two%20bid%20--%206%2B%20S%3B%205-11%20HCP%20%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7C4S%7Can%7CThe%20Law%3A%2010%20trump%20-%3E%20game%20support%20--%202%2B%20S%3B%2011-%20HCP%3B%204-12%20total%20points%20%7Cmb%7C4N%7Can%7C11-%20HCP%3B%2012-%20total%20points%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cmb%7Cp%7Cpc%7C]360|270[/hv]"11- HCP; 12- total points" is a result of your initial pass; GIB adds nothing to this as a result of your decision to bid.

[pigpenz]

there are alot of instances where the explanation is never gonna fit with the bid

generally on these hands you usually end up playing 4NT down 3-5 which comes out

a plus when they make game, but there are still too many hands where the insurance is cheap to bid

or the hand still belongs to your side

[EricK]

Ikeep trying hoping that eventually it will get fixed and be played as takeout

and I keep playing 4NT :rolleyes:

 

but isnt this standard

x=penalty

4NT=takeout

over 4 spade bids?

 

[hv=pc=n&s=s7hj654dkqt6cat53&d=s&v=e&b=3&a=p2sp4s4nppp]133|200[/hv]

I thought standard was X=takeout and 4NT is two places to play. The trouble with playing 4NT as takeout rather than X is that very often partner will want to pass for penalties!

[pigpenz]

I thought standard was X=takeout and 4NT is two places to play. The trouble with playing 4NT as takeout rather than X is that very often partner will want to pass for penalties!

my understanding that double was penalties and 4NT was takeout

most of the ACBL conv cards usually play x as takeout thru 4♥

but this is generally what alot of partnerships play, i fully understand that

GIB doesnt do this but i like to torture myself by bidding it :rolleyes:

 

this was a quick link I found

http://en.allexperts.com/q/Bridge-other-card-2226/2012/5/bridge-question-4.htm

[EricK]

my understanding that double was penalties and 4NT was takeout

most of the ACBL conv cards usually play x as takeout thru 4♥

but this is generally what alot of partnerships play, i fully understand that

GIB doesnt do this but i like to torture myself by bidding it :rolleyes:

 

this was a quick link I found

http://en.allexperts.com/q/Bridge-other-card-2226/2012/5/bridge-question-4.htm

I think X = Pen; 4NT = takeout used to be standard.

Here's a link which supports my understanding.

http://www.larryco.com/BridgeArticles/ArticleDetails.aspx?articleID=188

 

But clearly GIB doesn't have a sensible 4NT definition!

[pigpenz]

I think X = Pen; 4NT = takeout used to be standard.

Here's a link which supports my understanding.

http://www.larryco.com/BridgeArticles/ArticleDetails.aspx?articleID=188

 

But clearly GIB doesn't have a sensible 4NT definition!

yes I understand that

but at least you have a understanding with a partner

[georgi]

Ikeep trying hoping that eventually it will get fixed and be played as takeout

and I keep playing 4NT :rolleyes:

 

but isnt this standard

x=penalty

4NT=takeout

over 4 spade bids?

 

 

Since v25 it carries for 4NT - !? Unusual notrump -- 5+ ♣; 5+ ♦; 11 HCP; 12 total points; 7+ relay points; forcing

 

Double is still the same X - !? -- 3+ ♣; 3+ ♦; 4+ ♥; 11- HCP; 12 total points; 8+ relay points

[pigpenz]

yes I noticed the other day in the bidding room

a 4NT actually showed up as take out

finally

thanks